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1998 年一位地底的年轻雌性爬虫人到地表森林（瑞典）采集资料，无意中拜访一位离群索居于森林小木屋的主人EF，几次的拜访后，爬虫人向他表露真实身分（注：爬虫人具有诱导人类的精神力，能使人类把爬虫人看成是正常普通的人类外表），后来EF 向他朋友Ole K. 透露，并安排Ole K. 与爬虫人分别于1999-12-16、 2000-04-27 的两次访谈。

6,500 万年前两支外星种族－－「类人族」与「爬虫族」（与地底爬虫族无关）为争夺地球铜矿的毁灭战导致200 年的「核子冬天」造成恐龙灭绝，200 年后幸存的物种中出现了一种特殊的小型先进恐龙（1.5 公尺高），有类人的特征－－地底爬虫人的祖先。

经过几千万年的演化，在1,000 万年前，爬虫人透过基因改造成与现今差不多的稳定外貌形体，并已在太阳系其他行星殖民。

150 万年前另一支外星种族来到地球，改造人类祖先－类人猿，经过2 万3 千年七次的改良，最初拥有科技的进化人类存在于70 万年前，后来外星人决定终结他们的首次创造，然后加速了第二次更好的试验系列，接着一次又一次。 最后一次是开始于8,500 年前的第七次文明创造至今。

5,000 年前地底爬虫族与外星人发生长久争战以来的最后一场战役，几十年后外星人出于不明原因离开了地球，他们会再返回地球毁掉本次文明吗？

另外，爬虫人还提及几次的外星飞碟坠毁事件（包括罗斯威尔事件），美国政府透过对失事飞碟的研究与别有居心的外星人的合作，制造了三角形的飞行器。

14 个在地球活动的外星族类、地底爬虫族、人类政府间相互的竞合对人类与地球的未来会有什么影响？

信不信由你，就当作故事看吧～

爬虫族档案I（The Lacerta File I）

几周前，一个网友问我可否翻译一份关于UFO 真相、外星人和关于我们人类真实历史的档案，他说从一个瑞典朋友Ole K.（当然不是全名）那儿接到了这份吸引人的档案，其声称采访了一个非人类的爬虫族（Lacerta）存在体。 他表明这份档案包含了关于UFO 和外星人绝对真实的内容（如果有人针对每条「UFO 的绝对真相」，仅给我100 马克的话，我也会变成富翁的。）我知道自己在网上不仅是作为一个UFO 的强烈相信者，而且也是一个对物理和观察知道很多的有智慧的青年。 所以当我头一次读到这份名叫「爬虫族档案1」怪异文件的时候非常吃惊，并且我问他自己是否真的相信这篇科学假想小说。

他非常确定并且说，Ole K. 是他的私人朋友，他绝不会说谎。 关于证据，他告诉我他已经通读了整篇文稿，并且看了Ole K. 在介绍里提到的画和磁带。 我猜每位「正常」的UFO 研究者都会立刻删掉这份档案，但是我却「疯狂地」要翻译它。 我告诫过他我的英语水准不怎么样，不过他确信我能做好，因此我就试着尽可能通俗易懂地翻译它。 这便意味着我并不对档案内容负责，也就并不相信它是真实的。 只意味着我为朋友做了一件翻译工作。 为了便于阅读，我用了些括弧，我不能肯定自己是否用了恰当的辞汇，但我希望你们能够看懂。

我的个人意见（翻译完这篇离奇的文稿大约一周后）是，这篇文稿是一篇很好的科学幻想小说而不是事实或真相。 问题和答案总是多于或少于逻辑，可我认为通篇资讯都太难以相信是真实的了（特别是关于科学的部分），并且以我的观点，这个「生物」太常于避免谈论困难的问题，因为文章的作者不知道答案（译注：这点本人就不赞同了，呵呵。如是虚假，回答不上来的问题本就不会提问了）。 可我的工作是翻译而不是评论其内容。 有人问我能否将这份档案出版在杂志下一期，但我想对于我们的杂志来说，它太长而且太离奇了，不过由于别人要我尽可能传播给更多的人，我决定用一般的RTF 档案格式（大部分WORD 软体都相容）给你们。 如果这东西对你来说太过异常的话，就请删除了吧。 这份档案中所提的事情绝对不是我的观点或信仰。 我为自己的错误用词和语法表示抱歉。

得出你们自己的主张并且让我知道你们是怎么看的。

再会

前言

我保证以下内容绝对真实并非虚构。 这些是我于1999 年12 月与一个非人类的爬虫生物访谈的手稿之一部分。 这个雌性生命体几个月前已经联系了我的一个朋友（文章中以缩写EF 出现）。 让我声明一下，我一生都对UFO、外星人和其他诡异事件抱持怀疑态度，而当EF 向我讲述他第一次和那个非人类的爬虫族（Lacerta）存在体接触时，我想那只是个梦见或虚构的故事。 我于去年12 月16 日在瑞典南部一个小镇附近我朋友家偏僻房子的温暖屋内面见这个生命体的时候，尽管我亲眼见到了她不是个人类，我仍然是个怀疑论者。 那次面见，她向我讲述和展示了那么多难以置信的事情，以至于我无法再拒绝她所陈述的事实和真相。 这不是那种说是事实、实际上却是编造的UFO 档案，我确信这份手稿有的只是真相，因此你们大家该去读它。

我和她谈了超过3 个小时，因此展示给你们的笔记是采访的缩减部分，因为她在会谈后告诉我不要出版任何她告诉我的事。 下面的问题并不全是按照原先提问时的顺序，所以你们在阅读时可能会觉得有点乱。 很难服从她要求我将笔记中所有重要部分都删除这点，因此抱歉我有点打乱了顺序。 我是整篇采访笔记以及几卷完整采访录音磁带的所有者（笔记有49 页内容，包含了我对她的身体和身上设备画的几幅画），但是在得到她的许可前是不会揭露出去的。 我会将这份浓缩的、吸引人的档案发给我四个可靠的朋友到芬兰、挪威、德国和法国去，并且希望他们会翻译成本国及他国语言，使很多人能够读到并理解这份手稿。 如果你收到了，请通过电子邮件或列印、复印出来把它发给你的每个朋友吧。

此外我保证，她族类那些各式「超常」能力，比如心灵感应和遥动（包括不经触碰，使我的铅笔在桌面上移动和跳舞，以及令一个苹果在她手掌上空40 公分处漂浮），在谈话3 个小时零6 分钟期间展示了给我看，并且我绝对确定这些能力不是把戏。 下面的内容对于没有经历过的人来说的确非常难于理解，但我确实和她的心智进行上了连接，而且我完全确信她在采访期间所说的是关于我们世界的绝对事实。

不幸的是，如果是我本人读了整篇文稿以及自己的这份极为浓缩的版本，我会怀有非常强烈的印象，即我所写的每件事都太难以相信为真实了，每件事听起来都像从电视或电影里出来的、不怎么样的科学假想故事，我怀疑没人会相信我的经历。 但它们却是真实的，信不信由你。 我不期盼你们相信我没有证据的只言片语，我无法给你们证据。 请阅读文稿并且想一想，也许你们就会在字里行间看到真相。

2000 年4 月23 日我和她将会另外有一次会见（还是老地点），她向我许诺会带给我一些或许能证明她存在的证据。 到时候我会问她已经收集好了的问题。 也许她会允许我揭露更多手稿中曾遗漏的部分，以及关于未来战争的。

信或不信，并没有实际的区别。

Ole K.

2000 年1 月8 日

访谈手稿

日期：1999 年12 月16 日

Ｑ：首先，你是谁？ 你是什么？ 你是一个外星种族或者你们的起源能在地球上找到么？

Ａ：如你所见，我不是像你一样的人类，并且诚实地说我也并不是一个真正的哺乳动物（尽管我有部分哺乳类的身体特征，那是进化的结果）。 我是一个雌性爬虫生物，属于一个非常古老的爬虫种族。 我们数百万年以前就是这个星球的原住民。 我们在你们的宗教文献比如基督教圣经中被提及，而且许多远古人类部落都知道我们的存在并尊崇我们为神，例如埃及人和印加人、以及其他很多古老部落。 你们的基督教误解了我们在你们创造过程中的角色，因此在你们的文献中我们被当作「邪恶的大毒蛇」提及。 这是错的。 你们的族类是被外星人基因工程设计的，而我们只多多少少是这个加速进化过程里被动的访客而已。 你们必须知道（你们某些科学家已经提出了假设），你们的族类在仅仅2-3 百万年的时光里、在一个显然完全不可能的速度下进化了。 这是绝对不可能的，因为在自然的情况下，进化是个非常缓慢的过程，而你们尚不理解。 你们的创造是人为的，借由基因工程完成，不过不是通过我们，而是通过另一个外星种族。 如果你问我是不是个外星人，我必须回答不是。 我们乃原住民。 我们在太阳系有着几个殖民地，不过我们起源于这个星球。 实际上这是我们的星球而不是你们的——也从不曾是你们的。

Ｑ：能告诉我你的名字吗？

Ａ：这很困难，因为你们人类的舌头无法正确地去发这个音（而对我们名字的误发音，对我们的某些种群来说是非常冒犯的）。 我们的语言与你们的相当不同，不过我的名字是，我会试着用你们人类的字母尽可能平缓地念出来——近似「Sssshiaassshakkkasskkhhhshhh」，对于「sh」和「k」都有非常长的发音。 我们不像你们那样有姓氏，只是单独唯一的名字，被用说话的方式分开和表现；而且并不是给孩子的（他们有自己的孩子名），只有在青春期——宗教和科学的「启迪」或觉醒时间（你们要是愿意这么称的话）的一个特殊程式上才被给予。 要是不用你们人类的舌头念我名字的话，我会很感激的。 请叫我「勒斯塔（Lacerta，意为蜥蜴属）」好了，这是当我在人类当中走动并和他们谈话的时候通常用的名字。

Ｑ：你多大了？

Ａ：我们不像你们那样用天文学纪年，以及用地球围绕太阳旋转计算，因为我们普遍居住在地表以下。 我们时间的测量方法建基于地球磁场回圈周期，并且通过这个（以及用你们的数字），我今天的——让我算算——年龄是57,653 回圈周（cycles old）。 我已达到了成人阶段，且我的心智意识为16,337 回圈周（cycles ago）（对我们来说这是一个非常重要的时间）。 以你们人类的时间度量衡来说，我大约28 岁。

Ｑ：你的任务是什么？ 你有像我们一样的「工作」么？

Ａ：用你们的话说吧：我是个好奇的学生，类比于你们种群的社会行为学。 这就是我为什么来这儿和你谈话，为什么向EF 以及现在对你揭露了真实身份，为什么给了你们所有的秘密资讯、并且将会诚实地回答你们列出的所有无数问题之原因。 我会看你如何反应，你们种群的其他人如何反应。 在这个行星上的你们种群中有如此多的疯子和说谎者，声称知道关于我们、UFO、外星人等等的真相，而你们相信他们的谎话。 我感兴趣知道如果你们将真相（我正告诉你们的）公之于众的话，你们种群将会作何反应。 我非常确信你们每个人会拒绝相信我的话，但我希望自己是错的，因为如果你们想要在未来几年存活下去的话，你们就得需要理解。

Ｑ：我读了你所有关于这个的陈述（你给过EF 的）。 不过现在你能不能给我一个快答：UFO 是不是真实的、被外星人驾驶的飞行器？ 它们属不属于你们族类？

Ａ：一些你们观察到的UFO——如你们称呼的——是属于我们，但大多数不是。 大多数「神秘的」飞行物不是科技装置，而主要是对你们科学家不明白的自然现象的误解（像在高空中自发的电浆闪光）。 不过，一些UFO 是真实的飞行器，属于要么是你们自己族类的（特别是军方），要么是其他外星种族，或最后是我们（但只有少数看得见的是真正属于我们的，因为我们通常非常小心于在大气中移动，并且我们有特殊的方法隐避我们的飞船。）如果你们读到一篇报导，说看到金属亮灰色雪茄形状的圆柱形物体，长度是——有多种不同类型的——以你们的尺度，让我说是从20 公尺至260 公尺不等，并且有非常深沉的嗡鸣，在雪茄的金属表面有5 盏红色亮灯（一个在顶，一个在中间，两个在底部）的话，那很可能就是看见了我们的飞船。 并且那意味着若不是部分故障，就是我们中的某人不够小心。 我们还有一小队碟形飞船，但是这样的UFO 通常属于别的外星族。 三角形的UFO 通常属于你们自己的军方，但他们使用外来的科技建造的它们。 如果你们真的想看看我们的飞船，你们就应该看看南、北极以及亚洲内部（特别是那里的山脉）的天空。

Ｑ：有没有特别的标志或之类的好让我们能够辨别出你们？

Ａ：我们有代表族类的两个主要标志象征。 一个（更为古老的一个）是一条蓝色的大蛇，在一面黑色的背景上有四只白色的翅膀（其颜色对我们有宗教意义）。 这个标志取自我们社会的某些特定部分，但今天很少用了——你们人类在古老著述里频繁地借用它。 另一个标志是你们称为「龙」的神秘存在体，在一个圆圈里，中间有七颗白星。 这个象征今天更加普遍。 如果你在我先前描述的圆柱形飞行器上或是地下设施中看到这两个标志之一，这个东西或地点绝对是属于我们的（并且我建议你尽可能远离那里）。

Ｑ：你提到第二个标志中的七颗星——你是指昂宿星（团）（又称七姐妹星）吗？

Ａ：昂宿星？ 非也。 实际上七颗星是指行星们和月亮们，并且是指我们在太阳系中以前建立的殖民地。 在蓝色背景前的星星以及龙之圈代表地球的形状，七颗白星代表月球、火星、金星以及木星和土星的四颗卫星——我们过去的殖民地。 两个目前已经抛弃不用，因此五颗星应该更为恰当。

Ｑ：既然你不让我拍照，那还有什么能证明你是真实存在的，并且这个故事是真实的呢？ 你能仔细描绘一下你自己吗？

Ａ：我知道如果拍些照片的话，会非常有助于证明真实性。 人们都是多疑的（那对我们和真实的外星族类在这个行星上行使秘密来说是好的），所以即便你有了照片，你的许多同类也会说是欺骗，说我是戴着面具的人类女人或像那之类的（这对我来说是十分冒犯的）。

你必须知道，我不能允许你拍摄我或我的装备。 这其中有很多原因我不想和你深谈，不过告诉你其中一个是，我们想保持我们的秘密存在；另一个更多是宗教上的。 不过，你可以把我和装备的样子画下来。 稍后我会给你看。 我也可以描述我自己，然而我怀疑你的其他同类会只从那几个词中想像我的真实样貌，因为自动否定爬虫族的存在，以及否定和你们不同类的智慧族类的普遍存在，是你们心智程式的一部分。 嗯，我会试试看的。

想像一个普通人类女人的身体，你就会对我的身体有一个初步较好的概念。 和你们一样，我们也有一颗头，两只胳膊，两只手，两条腿，两只脚，身材比例也和你们相似。 由于是女性，我也有一对乳房（尽管我们起源是爬虫，但在进化过程中也是给婴儿喂奶的——这发生在大约3,000 万年前，因为这是让小孩存活最好的方法。你们族类已经在恐龙时代就进化通过这点，而稍后不久我们也跟上了。可并不意味着我们现在是哺乳动物）。 然而我们的乳房不像人类那般大，并且我们族类女性乳房的大小都基本相同。 外生殖器两性都有，比人类要小，却是可见并有和你们一样的功能（这是给我们族类的另一份进化礼物）。

我的皮肤大体上是一种绿褐色，更多的是灰绿，并且有一些褐色的不规则点（每个点大小为1-2 公分左右）在皮肤和脸上（其样式两性是不同的，不过女性多些，特别是在下半身和脸上），你可以从我这里看到眉宇之上，像两道线一般横跨额头、布于面颊和下巴。 我的眼睛比人类大些（因此缘故，我们在黑暗中能看得更清），大而黑的瞳孔占据主要眼球，周围是小而亮绿色的虹膜（男性虹膜是暗绿色）。 瞳孔是狭缝，并且可以从一条小黑缝到完全张开至卵圆形之间改变大小。 由于我们的视网膜十分敏感，所以瞳孔必须配合。 我们有外耳廓，不过没你们的大而弯曲，却拥有更好的听力，因为我们耳朵对声波更加敏感（我们能听到更大范围的音频）。 耳朵上有肌肉或称为「盖子」的，可以将其完全覆盖住（比如水下用）。 我们的鼻子更加突出，且在两鼻孔之间有一个Ｖ字形弯曲，可以令我们的祖先「看到」温度。 我们已经失去了其大部分功能，不过我们借此「器官」仍能更好地感知温度。 我们嘴唇的形状和你们一样（女性比男性要大些），不过是灰褐色的；牙齿非常白而坚硬，与你们温和的哺乳动物相比长而尖锐。 我们不像你们有不同的头发颜色（不过有个传统，在不同的年龄阶段，染不同的发色），而原始的发色，比如我，是绿褐色的。 我们的头发比你们的浓密和坚韧，生长非常缓慢。 此外，头部是唯一长毛发的地方。

我们的身体，胳膊和腿与你们的形状、大小均相仿，然而颜色不同（像脸一样是绿褐色），在大腿和上臂有鳞片状的结构（于膝盖和肘关节上）。 我们的五指比人类稍细长，手掌上的皮肤很平，因此我们没有像你们那样的纹理，而又是鳞片状的皮肤结构及褐色的点（两性手掌上都有），且没有指纹。 如果你触碰我的皮肤，你会觉得比起你们多毛的肌肤来说要更光滑。 双手中指上端有小而尖利的角质物，指甲是灰色，通常比你们略长。 你看我的指甲顶端不太长圆，因为我是女性。 男性的要更尖利，一般是5-6 公分。 以下特征非常不同于你们族类，并且与我们祖先也有部分相异：如果你触摸我上半身的后脊，会透过衣服感觉到一道坚硬的嶙峋线条。 这不是脊骨，而是皮肤和组织的一种非常难为的外板形结构，从头到尾恰好附从脊骨。 这个结构和板状中有数量极多的神经和大血管（大约2-3 公分长，且非常敏感——这就是为什么我们坐在这种有椅背的椅子时总感觉困难的原因）。 这些小板状的主要功能（充当了我们性欲的角色）只是体温的调节，并且如果我们坐在日光或人造光下，这些小板块就会充血，血管扩张，阳光便会加热我们爬虫血液（通过这些小板块在体内回圈）好几度，那样会令我们感觉极度愉悦。

还有什么与你们不同的？ 我们没有肚脐，因为我们同你们哺乳动物的出生方式不同。 还有一个外在的区别不重要，况且我想也不必全说出来，因为如果我们穿着衣服的话大半是看不见的。 我想关于我身体的描述够详细了。 我建议你可以画几张图。

Ｑ：你们通常穿什么样的衣服？ 我猜这件不是你平时所穿的。

Ａ：是的，我只在人类中间时才穿这种日常服装。 老实讲，穿这么紧的衣服实在令我不太舒服，总有一种非常不一样的感觉。 如果是在自己家里（指地下的家），或是在巨大的人造太阳区，并且如果与我们名字相近的其他人在一起，我们通常是裸体的。 这使你震惊么？ 当我们和许多同类一起在公众领域的时候，我们穿非常宽大和柔软的、用轻薄材料做成的衣服。 我刚告诉过你，我们身体的许多部位对触觉非常敏感，大部分在于背部的小板块。 因此我们穿紧身的衣服会感到不适，那会伤到我们。 男人和女人通常穿同一种衣服，不过性别不同，颜色不同。

Ｑ：你刚才说「与你们自己名字相近的其他人」，是指你们的家人吗？

Ａ：不完全是。 你可以称为「家人」，但用这个词你只意味着像父母、孩子这样的遗传所属。 如我刚才说的，我们有一个非常难念和独特的名字。 这名字有一部分是绝对独特的、而再没有另一个人那样叫，可还有一部分（中间部分）是用一种发音告诉其他人你属于哪个「家庭」（我必须用这个词，因为你们的词汇中没合适的用以描述）。 这并不意味着该团体中每一个都和你有遗传关系，因为这个团体很大，有40-70 个人。 其中是有遗传关系的人——除非有人决定离开这个团体——并且通常你和父母的联系是最坚固的。 对我来说，现在向你解释我们非常古老的社会系统实在是太困难了，因为它非常复杂，仅是最基本的我就要和你说上几个小时。 也许我们下次见面时，可以给你所有这些的细节描述。

Ｑ：你们像一般爬虫那样有尾巴么？

Ａ：你看到了吗？ 不，我们没有可见的尾巴。 如果你看到我们的骨架，骨盆后的脊骨末端只有一个小圆骨。 这是我们祖先没有长成的、没用的尾巴，现在从外表看不到。 哦，我们的胚胎在成长前几个月有尾巴，但出生前就消失了。 尾巴只对试图用两条腿走路的原始族类有用，他们必须用尾巴保持平衡，但我们的骨骼在进化中改变了，变得和你们极度相似，因此我们不须用尾巴保持站立。

Ｑ：你说你们的出生方式和我们不同。 你们产卵么？

Ａ：是的，不过不像你们的鸟类或原始爬虫那样。 实际上，胚胎在母亲子宫的蛋白质液里，还有一个卵形却非常薄的白垩壳包着它，充满着整个子宫。 壳内的胚胎完全受于母体，取自己一切生长所需，在壳内发展。 有一条带子同你们的脐带一样，连接在一个隐藏在后背板块的点上。 当婴儿要出生的时候，整个蛋体附有一层蛋白质粘液物质，被挤压出阴道。 几分钟后，婴儿破薄壳而出。 我们中指尖上的这两片角质本能地用来刺破蛋壳，进行出生后的第一次呼吸。 出生的婴儿没有人类个头大，约有30-35 公分高，蛋体大约40 公分高（因为阴道比人类的要小）。 但是我们普遍长成到160-180 公分。

Ｑ：你们的体温是多少？ 你说过你们享受待在日光下。 这对机体有什么作用吗？

Ａ：我们不是哺乳动物。 由于是爬虫，我们的体温取决于周围环境。 你摸我手的话，会觉得比你们的要凉些，因为我们体温大约在30-33 摄氏度。 如果坐在日光下（特别是裸露背板朝向阳光），体温就会在几分钟内上升8-9 度。 这个温升会令身体产生很多酶和激素，我们的心脏、大脑及每个器官都变得更加活跃，我们就会感觉非常非常棒。 你们人类只是享受日光而已，而对我们对来说，享受的是你们所能想像的极度快乐（也许像你们的性兴奋）。 我们同样享受在非常温暖的水或液体中游泳以增加体温。 如果我们在阴暗处待几个小时，体温就会降回30-33 度。 虽对我们无害，但我们在阳光下感觉更好。 我们在地下有人造的日光室，不过我们还是喜欢真正的阳光。

Ｑ：你们吃什么呢？

Ａ：通常像你们一样种类繁多：肉、水果、蔬菜、专门的蘑菇（地下农场种的）以及其他东西。 我们还能吃并消化一些对你们来说有毒的物质。 你我之间主要的区别是，我们必须吃肉，因为我们的身体需要蛋白质。 我们不能像你们那样完全素食，那样的话消化系统就会停止工作。 没有了肉，几周或也许几个月后我们就会死掉。 我们许多人吃生肉或其他你们可以消化的东西。 对我自己来说，我宁可吃烹调过的肉和地面上的水果，比如苹果和桔子。

Ｑ：你能告诉我关于你们族类的一些真实历史和进化过程吗？ 有多古老？ 你们是不是从原始爬虫类进化过来的，像我们人类从猿进化来的那样？

Ａ：哦，这是个非常长而复杂的故事，对你们来说简直是无法相信的，但却是事实。 我试着简单讲。 6,500 万年前从恐龙时代，我们许多未进化的祖先死于全球的大灾难。 这不是一场自然的浩劫——像你们科学家所相信的小行星的撞击，而是由两支敌对外星种族的战争导致，主要发生在地球轨道和高空中。

以我们有限的知识来看，这场早期的战争是这个星球最早的外星战役了，但绝不是最后的（未来的战争就快到来，「冷战」，如你们所称，在最近73 年内，于各外星团体之间正在上演着）。

6,500 万年前这场古老战役的双方是两支先进的族类，名字同样无法用你们的舌头念出来。 我可以用他们最初的叫法念出来，但会伤到你们的耳朵。 一支是像你们一样类人的族类（然而更古老），从这个宇宙你们今天称为南河三（小犬）星座（Procyon）的太阳系而来；另一支我们知道得不多，是爬虫族，但和我们族类无关，因为我们是从本地的蜥蜴种进化而来，未受外来的影响（除了被我们成功操纵自己的基因。容我后面说）。

这支先进的爬虫不是从这个宇宙，而是从——唉，我该如何向你们解释啊。 你们的科学家不知道宇宙的真实性质，你们不开窍的头脑看不到最简单的事物，而依赖于错误的数学和数位。 这是对你们族类的部分基因编程导致的，容我后禀。 依我说，你们比起自己500 年前对宇宙的理解来，要退步得多了。

用个术语你们也许会明白：这另一支族类不是从这个宇宙，而是从另一个全相宇宙泡沫中的「气泡」而来的。 你们或许会称其为另一次元，但却不是正确描述的词汇（顺便说一句，「次元」这个词，通常你们理解它的方式是错的）。 你们应该记住的事实是，这支先进的族类能够利用——你们会称之为量子科技的，「行走」于气泡之间，并且有时通过特殊方法，仅仅用心智即可达成（我们族类相较你们有更进步的精神能力，但是我们不依靠科技无法进行事件弦/气泡的转变，而在地球上活动的其他族类可以做到，这在你们看来像是魔术一般的事情，你们祖先是可以做到的）。

回到我们的历史吧：那支类人的族类早于爬虫族150 年前到达地球，在原始大陆上建立起了一些聚居地。 在你们今天称为「南极洲」的大陆上有其中一个大聚居地，另一个在称为「亚洲」的土地上。 这些人和动物型的蜥蜴生活在一起没什么问题。

当先进的爬虫族抵达这个系统的时候，南河三的类人族试着和平地沟通，却不成功。 全球大战数月内即展开。 你们要理解两支族类都对这颗年轻的星球感兴趣，不是出于生态和未发展的生物，而只为一个原因：原生矿物，特别是铜。 要理解这个原因，你们必须知道铜对某些先进的族类来说是一种非常重要的物质（即便是现在），因为它——和某些不稳定的物质一起——如果配合一个高核辐射场、在一个正确的角度感应一个高电磁场，在其上方制造出一个交叉脉动场域的话，能够产生出一种新的稳定元素。 铜元素和其他元素在这样一种磁/辐射内场的熔合，能够产生出一种特殊性质的力场，非常有益于各种各样的科技任务（但其基础是非常复杂的公式而你们无法发现，因为你们简单心智的限制）。

两支族类都想得到地球的铜，于是他们在太空和地球轨道展开了一场持续期并不算长的战争。 类人族开始阶段似乎成功了，但在最后一场战役中，爬虫族决定用一种强大的实验武器——一种特殊的、能够摧毁行星生命形式而无害于原生矿质和铜的热核弹。 核弹于太空点火并在你们今天称为「中美洲」的一个地点引爆。

由于引爆在大海中，遂产生出和氢元素未可预知的熔合，造成比爬虫族所料想更严重的后果。 一种致命的辐射、合成氧的过剩、不同元素的辐射尘以及几乎200 年的「核子冬天」就是其结果。 大部分人类死亡，而爬虫族一些年以后出于（即使对我们来说）未知的原因，失去了对行星的兴趣——也许是因为辐射吧。

地球又是独零零的，而地表的动物都灭亡了。 还有，核爆的其中一个结果是产生出了不同元素的辐射尘埃和物质，其中一种是「铱」。 今天你们科学家看到铱在土地中的浓度作为小行星撞击地球导致恐龙灭亡的证据。 那不是真的，不过你们如何得知呢？

嗯，大部分恐龙死亡（不都是在爆炸中，而是战后引起的恶劣环境，特别是在核子冬天和辐射尘中）。 基本上所有恐龙和爬虫都在20 年间死去，其中一些——特别是海洋中的，得以在未来200-300 年里存活下来。 可是这些族类也死去了，因为气候发生了改变。

核子冬天于200 年以后结束，而地球比之前要寒冷。 灾难过后仍有物种幸存：鱼类（如鲨鱼），鸟类，小型爬行哺乳动物（你们的祖先），多种爬虫诸如鳄鱼…还有一种特殊的小型先进恐龙，同最后一批大型爬行动物如你们称之为暴龙的族类，一起发展了下去。

这种新爬虫用两条腿行走，看上去有点像你们重新塑型的禽龙（禽龙起源于这个家族），而却更小（大约1.5 公尺高），有类人的特征：一副改变了的骨骼结构，更大的头骨和脑容量，有拇指能抓握东西，一套不同的器官和消化系统，更先进的眼睛长在头部中央，像你们的眼睛一样。 并且更重要的是…更新、更好的大脑结构。 这是我们的直系祖先。

有理论说大爆炸令器官变异导致这个新物种，不过没经证实。 然而这种小型类人的恐龙在之后的3000 万年间，由一只动物向一种多多少少有思想的生命形态进化了（如我早先所说，一个物种比你们想像的需要更长的时间进化，如果不是像你们那样被人为促成的话）。

这些生物足够聪明，不会在接下来的几百万年灭亡，因为它们学到了改变自己的行为。 它们住在洞穴中取代呆在严寒的自然环境中，学会了用石头和树枝作为最初的工具，以及用火取暖——特别是温暖它们的血液——这对我们族类的存活十分重要。

在其后的2000 万年里，这支族类自然分裂成27 个子种族（不幸的是，早先的爬虫族在进化过程中倾向于以多少有些不合逻辑的方式自我分裂进入各子族类中。你们可以在早期大量多余的动物－恐龙族类中清晰看到这点），在这些子族类当中为了统治权还有很多（只要是原始的）争斗战上演。

呃，大自然对我们不太友善，据我们目前所知，27 个子族类中有24 个在原始战争和进化过程中灭亡了，因为它们器官和心智的发展不够存活所需，并且（主要原因是）如果气候变迁，他们无法以适当的方式改变自己的体温。 核子大战5,000 万年过后以及恐龙灭绝以后，只有三支（现在也是科技）先进的爬虫族和所有其他低等动物在地球上一起存活了下来。 通过自然和人工交叉繁衍，这三支种族联合为一支爬虫族，并且由于创造出基因操纵方法，我们得以「终结」自身基因结构中有分裂倾向的基因。

以我们的历史和信仰来说，那时是我们最终的爬虫族——像你今天看到的——通过基因工程被创造的时期。 这发生在约1,000 万年前，我们的进化就止于那个点（实际上之后的岁月里，我们在朝更像人类和哺乳动物的面容上有一些小变化，不过我们没有再度分裂为子种族） 。 你看，比起人类，我们是一个非常古老的物种，那时你们还像小猿类的动物一般在树间跳跃，而我们已发明科技，在太阳系其他行星殖民，在地球建立大型城市（随着时间流逝，并没有留下痕迹），并且设计我们自己的基因。 可与此同时你们仍只是动物的基因。

1,000 万年前小猿类开始成长，他们从树枝下到地面（同样又是因为气候变迁，特别是称作非洲大陆的），但是作为哺乳动物来说，进化非常缓慢，而如果没有特别事情发生在你们身上时，我们今天就不会坐在这里交谈了，因为我会坐在自家舒适的现代化房子里，而你们住在山洞，身着毛皮，试图发现火的秘密，或者也许会蹲在我们其中一个动物园里。 但是事情截然不同地进展了，你们相信你们是「创造的王冠」，能够坐在现代化的房子里，我们却必须隐藏居于地底和偏远地区。

在大约150 万年前，另一支外星种族来到地球（令人诧异的是，他们乃6,000 多万年前第一次来的那一支。你们要是知道现今在地球上有多少支外星族类的话，会更吃惊的），这支类人的外星族——你们今天称他们为「伊洛因（Ilojiim）」（译注：综观全文，此外星族类与雷尔《外星人的资讯》一书中描述的创造人类的耶洛因[Elohim] 种族虽名称近似，但外表形象有异。本文后面提到Ilojiim 是高大白皙的，而雷尔遭遇的耶洛因是矮小绿皮肤，是否为同一类，其中缘由尚不知晓。但耶洛因的确在地球上创造过不同的人类种族，包括高大的巨人。请读者自行品读斟酌。为防止混淆，本文中一律翻译为「伊洛因」。 ）——他们的兴趣不在于原生矿质和铜，令我们吃惊的是，在于未发展的类人猿。 他们无视我们的存在，决定「帮助」猿类进化快些，想在将来的战争中把它们当作某种奴隶族类服役。

你们族类的命运对我们来说不重要，但是我们不喜欢「伊洛因」在我们行星上，而他们也不喜欢我们在这个新「银河动物园」行星之存在。 因此你们的第六、七次文明是我们之间战争的诱因。 你可以在你们称为「圣经」的书中看到部分关于那些战争的怪异描述。 真正的事实是相当长而曲折的故事。 我可以继续吗？

Ｑ：不，现在不必。 我已经记下了你们的一些历史，现在有几个问题想问你。

Ａ：请问吧。

Ｑ：首先，你们跨越了巨大的时间尺度。 你声称你们的原始祖先和恐龙生活在一起，幸免于你称作的人为灾难，并在那之后4,000 万年进化，最后进化于1,000 万年前完成。 这让我很难相信。 关于这点，你能说些什么吗？

Ａ：我理解这对你们来说是绝对不可信的，因为你们是年轻的基因设计族类。 你们的历史范畴终止于仅仅数千年的尺度，而你们认为正确。 却不是的。 这是不可能的。 你们被设计的心智显然无法应对如此浩瀚的时间广度。 我们的进化时间对你们来说也许看上去不可思议地长，但实际上却是自然原始的方式。

记住，你们早期哺乳类祖先和恐龙一起发展，和我们一样在大灾难中存活了下来。 它们在之后的千百万年间缓慢进化，并且分裂成各种各样的族类和形态，有些（体型）大，有些小。 这是身体的进化。 可大脑和智慧呢？ 它们只是简单的动物。 哺乳动物自从——容我们说——1.5 亿年前就开始进化，但只在最近的2-3 百万年才变得有智慧和思考。 并且只在这个小时间段，像你们这样的生命才被创造。 从大自然中么？ 1.48 亿年时间由动物型的哺乳类进化，200 百万年（多多少少）像你们那样的智慧生命发展出现？ 问问自己吧：你们真的认为这个进化加速是天然的吗？ 要是那样的话，你们族类比我想像的就更加无知了。 进化出岔子的不是我们，而是你们。

Ｑ：我懂了。 可我还有一个问题。 你提到很多关于两支外星人在6,500 万年前那场战争的事实。 可这发生在你们族类变得真正智慧以前很久的时间。 你如何能知道关于「第一战争」那么多的事情以及关于你们族类进化的事呢？

Ａ：这是个好问题（比刚才那个好多了），我还没向你适当解释呢。 我们对第一战争的知识完全来自于一个古代人工制品，是1 万6 千年前被我们考古学家在你们今日称为北美的大陆上发现的。 他们找到一张直径47 公分左右的圆盘。 圆盘由我们也尚不知晓的磁性物质制成，圆盘之内有另一张小水晶盘，内含大量资讯被编码进了水晶的分子结构中。 这张「储存碟」是大爆炸后被小犬星座人类种族的幸存者们制作的，已经有6,500 万年了，当我们发现的时候却依然完好无损。

我们的科学家能够对讯息和资料解码，由此我们才头一次知道在远古时代导致恐龙灭绝的事件。 碟片包含了对两族的细节描述（但更多是关于人族的），以及关于事件和武器，包括热核弹的资讯。 同样包括地球上动物和蜥蜴类的描述，其中涵盖了我们前智慧祖先之族类。 我们对于进化的其他知识则来自于骨骼和回溯，以及编/解码我们的DNA。 你看，我们在前1 万6 千年就知道了自己根源的真相。 而在那之前，我们对于自己的被创造，是更为宗教化的观点。

Ｑ：这两支外星族类后来怎么样了？

Ａ：我们不十分清楚。 地球上幸存的类人族显然在大爆炸过后的年岁中死掉了，其他族人和爬虫族未再返回地球（就我们所知）。 对爬虫族来说有一种可能性，即他们身体上不可能返回了，因为「气泡」之间的物质在不时快速运动。 目前的理论是，这两支族类在千百万年间停止了存在。

Ｑ：你提到你们族类的骨骼。 那是什么样子的，人类科学家们没发现任何你们祖先的遗迹，如果你们真是在地球上存在这么久了的话。 我们找到许多原始恐龙的骨骼，但没有先进爬虫生命的较大头骨，或者你刚才描述的大拇指。

Ａ：不，你们有。 但是你们「伟大的」科学家无法完整地重建骨骼，因为他们想要重建爬虫类动物，而不是智慧生物。 要是你们在博物馆里看到有多少（特别是小型）蜥蜴类的骨骼是完全错接、而实际上并无此类生物的时候，你们一定会笑的。 因为你们用很多本不属于一起的骨头，并且如果缺少的话你们就用人工的代替以做出一只「动物型」蜥蜴。 你们很多科学家发现了这个问题却没有公开，因为他们解释不了并且声称：正确的骨头缺失，而他们的重组是正确的。 我们的许多骨头被用来重建禽龙，例如有可见大拇指的脚（看看博物馆的禽龙，你们就会知道我是对的）。 一位你们称其为美国的科学家几年前组建了一个我们族类的几近正确的骨架，但是当地政府（他们部分知道我们的存在）没收了它。 由于今天（以及上千年来）我们几乎完全生活在地下，因此你们找不到我们任何尸体或骨架。

Ｑ：你有时谈到了地下都市和人工日光。 你的意思是有「中空的地球」存在吗？ 地球内部有另一个太阳吗？

Ａ：不，地球不完全是中空的，而且里面也没有第二个太阳。 这很荒谬而且现实也是不可能的（即便是你们族类，也应该够聪明知道这点）。 你了解聚集成一个太阳产生光和能量照亮一段更长的时间，需要熔合多少质量吗？ 你真的认为在地心有一个小的活体太阳存在么？ 当我说我们地下家园的时候，我指的是巨大的洞穴系统。 你们在地表附近发现的洞穴比地下深处真实、巨大的洞穴要小得多（深度在以你们的尺度2,000-8,000 公尺，但是却连接了很多隐藏的隧道通往地表或地表附近的洞穴） ，而且我们住在这些巨穴内先进的城市和聚居地中。 主要的场所横跨北极、南极、中亚、北美和澳洲。 如果我说到人工日光的话，并不是指真正的太阳，而是指能够照亮洞穴和隧道的各种光的科技来源（包括重力来源）。 在每座城市都有强紫外线照射的特殊洞穴地区和隧道，我们用它来加热血温。 此外，我们在偏远地区还有一些地表日照区，尤其是在美洲和澳洲。

Ｑ：我们到哪里才能找到进入你们世界的这样一个地表入口呢？

Ａ：你真的认为我会告诉你确切的地址？ 如果你们想找到这样一个入口，你们得自己搜寻（不过我建议你们别这样做）。 当我四年前来到地面的时候，我用了一个离这里往北大约300 公里远靠近一座大湖的入口，不过我怀疑你们能否找到（在世界的这个部分只有少数几个入口，且多数非常靠北和靠东）。

一点小建议：如果你在一个狭窄的洞穴或隧道、或什至是看起来像一个人工挖掘的通风管道里，越往深走墙壁越显平滑，并且感到从深处有一种不平常的暖空气流动袭来，抑或是你在一个通风口或电梯处听到有空气流动噪声的话，那就在洞穴里面四处找找特殊的人造光滑墙壁吧，那里会有一扇灰色金属门。

如果你能打开那扇门（不过我表示怀疑），你就会进入一个通常是圆形的科技屋内，那里有通风系统和通向地底深处的电梯。 这很可能就是通向我们世界的入口。 如果你到达了那个点，你应该了解我们绝对知道你当时在那里。 如果你进了那个圆形房间，就已经惹上了大麻烦。 不过你应该在墙上找一找两个爬虫族图腾中的一个。 如果没有、并且也没有其它标志的话，你也许就会比你想像的陷入了更大的麻烦，因为不是每个地底设施都是我们族类的。 一些新的隧道系统被外星种族操纵（包括敌意种族）。 我的整体建议是，如果你发现自己深处奇怪的地底设施中，马上走为上计，越快越好。

Ｑ：你早先提到你在人群中时用「勒斯塔（Lacerta，蜥蜴属）」的名字，还有你们享受待在地表的真实阳光下。 但是你如何混在人群之中呢？ 你和我们长得不像，所以每个人都能看出你和我们不是一类。 如果你们自从人类在地球上「被创造」之前就和我们生活在同一个行星上的话，为什么没人看到并描述像你们这样的存在体呢？ 你能解释这点吗？

Ａ：首先，在遥远的过去，我们族类当然曾被看到和描述出来（还有被崇拜）很多次，例如在你们的宗教文献《圣经》里。 你们同样可以在美洲大陆南部各类寺庙中找到对我们的描述甚至是简单的画像。 从亚洲山区和印度而来被称为「智者」的人们在著述中描写过我们族类多次，非洲大陆的「智者」也是。 我想我们是在你们历史中被提及最多的非人族类了（也许只除了伊洛因）。 如果你不相信，看看你们的历史，就会认识到我言语的真实性。 你们「伟大的」科学家称呼我们的信仰为「迷信」和「宗教」，并且今天的「智慧」人类已经忘记了我们遥远过去在地表上的存在。

另外，我们族类甚至今日在地面或近地表出入口和隧道系统内，有时也能被人类目击者看见原形，但所幸的是你们和媒体都没有报导如此「疯狂的」严重事件（这对我们有利，并且这就是我们为什么许可那些人看到我们真实面貌的原因）。 我们族类中一些人也直接和人类科学家和政治家联系，但这是最高机密（如你们所称），没有民众知道哪怕一星半点（这些会议的内容通常是关于即将到来的、和/与外星人之间的战争以及我们在这场战争中的帮助）。 但有另一个解释，为什么我们行走在你们中间而无法被你们认出：模仿。

下面的话又是听起来无法相信乃至会令你震惊的，不过你既然问了，我就回答出来。 刚才我说过，我们比你们有更先进的精神能力，而且「更先进」这个词，我的意思是，我们一出生、未经训练就有使用心灵感应和遥动的能力（实际上，母亲和新生儿在一开始的几个月里通常借由心灵感应交流），而你们需要经过训练得以活化你们大脑中的这些沉睡部分。 我们的大脑结构和你们有点不同，我们的脑下垂体（hypophyse）比你们稍大而更活跃，特别在阳光下时。 我们的能力相较你们要强大得多，但要与地球上某些外星族类「事件之弦/气泡」之意识力量相比又是孱弱的。 我对那些心智意识的东西总不在行，但我们都有这些最基本的能力并能够使用它们，例如保护自己，甚至是攻击。

当我们在地表遇见人类的时候（即便是人类团体也没什么不同，因为你们所有人的心智都好似一个），我们可以「触碰」到他们的心智，然后诱使他们通过心灵感应到命令「把我们看成你们中的一员」。 接着人类柔弱的心智就会毫不抵抗地接受这个命令，使他们看到我们（尽管我们是爬虫族的外表）就和普通人一样。 我这样做了很多次，而你们柔弱的人类通常会把我看成棕发的妩媚女人，因为我在几年前，头脑中创造了这幅特殊的「模仿图像」，借此我可以没有阻碍地感应而进入你们的心智里。 我开始时需要些时间正确地学习使用模仿，但后来它几乎自动起作用了，所以我什至走在你们很多人中间，也没人能认出我来。

在你们的意识中有一个简单的开关（「看看我们真实的面貌/照我们想要你们看的方式看我们」），那是伊洛因创造你们族类的时候给你们放置在那儿的，并且我们能够用这个开关使你们信服当看到我们的时候是人类的样子（其他外星种族也用这个开关的）。 比你想的更容易。 当你们与看起来和你们长得一样的外星族类会谈的时候，这些外星人使用了这个开关；并且某些与人类样貌外星人的会谈可以解释为实际上是与我们族类进行的）。 当我第一次遇见EF 的时候，他把我看成普通的女人，并且我记得当我向他透露真实面貌的时候，他非常恐惧和震惊。

Ｑ：你是说，你真的能使我相信现在和我说话的是一个棕发的妩媚女人而不是爬虫么？

Ａ：可能吧，不过在你这个特殊例子里我不这么认为。 当某人期望看到一个人类女人而不是我本身的话，我能毫无困难地利用他的心智（即使在大的团体里），因为没人预期看到一个爬虫族女人。 但在第一次谈话中，我已经允许你的心智看见我本来的面貌，而且我没诱导你的心智，因此你已经意识到我不是人类。 如果我不试着改变这个，可能会让你变得极度混乱或无意识，而我并不想伤害你。 正如我说的，我对这些事并不太在行。

Ｑ：那真可怕。 你能用这能力杀人吗？

Ａ：是的，不过是被禁止的。 这倒不是说在早先的岁月里没用过。

Ｑ：你们两性都有这种能力？

Ａ：是的。

Ｑ：照片呢？ 你们在照片上会是什么样貌？

Ａ：这是个傻问题。 我在照片上是爬虫类，因为我无法影响照片或相机本身，只能影响到拍照者的心智。 如果他/她洗出照片传给别人看的话，就会看到我的原形了。 这就是我们族类禁止被照相或摄影的原因，我们必须避免地表的每个相机（这非常困难，我们过去有时候不知道就被拍摄到。特别是由你们某些政府或秘密机构）。

Ｑ：你们还有什么指令灌输进我们的心智？ 像「为我们服务」或「听命」之类的？

Ａ：这又是一个奇怪的问题。 我们不是你们的敌人（大部分人不是），所以我们为何要这么做？ 回答你的问题：那取决于人类心智的力量以及爬虫所输出的力量。 在你们的心智中没有「服务我/我们」的开关，所以这样一道指令是很难奏效的。 如果一个人类心智和意识柔弱，并且爬虫的他/她精于此道、又在行事之前在太阳下晒了几个小时的话，那就有可能奏效一阵子。 关于这类事有秘密的教导，不过我从没学过一点儿。 我用我基本的能力去模仿、和我的族类沟通、以及有时一些其它的私人事务，但我从没伤害过人类或他们的心智。 要是我们能结束这个话题的话我会感激的。

Ｑ：最后一个问题：你之前说你们能将自己的UFO 隐藏起来？ 是用这种同样的能力吗？

Ａ：是的，不过建立在一个科技基础上。 每个飞行器内都有一个强有力的装置，能够输送人工信号到你们的心智，使你们相信看到的只是天空、或普通飞机之类的飞行器。 不经常这么用，因为我们在天空中移动的时候通常避开公众区。 如果你们能看到，那意味着装置缺陷或出于某些原因解除了工作。 提前回答你可能会问的问题——伪装效果在照片上不会奏效。 但谁会对着空荡荡的天空照相呢？ 顺便说一句，大多数通往我们隧道的近地面入口同样用这种设备隐藏起来，而你们人类通常看到的是一般的穴壁而不是大门。 这就是我为何怀疑说你们真能找到这样一扇通往我们世界的秘密大门（不过在过去曾发生过几次）（译注：桃花源记？）。

Ｑ：回到你我的历史吧。 你提到「伊洛因族」创造了人类。 他们从哪儿来，长得什么样？ 他们来以后到底发生了什么？ 他们是我们的「神」吗？

Ａ：「伊洛因」从这个宇宙来，从你们称为「毕宿五（Aldebaran，金牛座中的一等星）」的太阳系而来。 他们是非常高大的人类种族，金发，非常白晰的皮肤（他们避开日光，以免伤到皮肤和眼睛。对我们这种酷爱阳光的族类来说，这绝对是难以置信的）。 起初他们看上去很聪慧、和平，然后我们多多少少友善地与他们沟通，不过后来他们暴露出了真实的意图和计划：他们想将猿类改良为新品种，而我们成了他们新行星动物园的干扰因素。 开始他们抓了1 万–2 万只你们的猿类祖先，之后离开了几百年。 当他们返回的时候，把你们的祖先（更接近人了）带了回来。 然后又离去了几千年，这段时间里你们原始的「先人」和我们生活在一起没什么大问题（只是怕我们的飞行器和科技）。 伊洛因增强了他们的心智、大脑和身体结构，现在他们会使用工具和火了。 伊洛因在2 万3 千年间返回了七次，加速你们人种中某些种群的进化。 你必须明白，你们并不是这个星球上的第一次人类文明。 最初的进化人类（和不太完善的「先人」居于同时期，因为伊洛因想试验进化的不同阶段和速度）拥有科技，在这个星球上存在于约70 万年前（你们的科学家尚不理解，因为他们只发现了「先人」的骨头以及一些洞穴壁画，画着先进的人类和飞行设施）。 这个在基因上先进的人类和我们共同生活，但避免和我们接触，因为「伊洛因」老师用误解的意图警告他们，我们乃邪恶的生命，并且对他们说谎。

几个世纪以后，外星人决定终结他们的首次创造，然后加速了第二次更好的试验系列，接着一次又一次。 真相是，你们的现代文明不是第一次存在的文明，而是第七次了。 最初文明的建筑已经不在了，不过第五次文明建造了大三角形的建筑，你们称之为「埃及金字塔」，时间是大约75,000 年前（你们的埃及人只是在沙地上发现了古老的大金字塔，而仿造它们却不成功）。 第六次文明你们今天能够在比米尼地区（译注：佛罗里达州东南角对开海面的Bimini Island（中译「比米尼岛」），属于巴哈马群岛，亦是著名百慕达三角洲的一部份）海底发现16,000 年前的城市遗迹。 最后一次你们的第七次文明创造，仅是在8,500 年前完成，并且这是你们唯一记住和宗教文献涉及到的一次。 你们依赖考古学家和古灵长动物的手工制品，展示给你们错误和简短的历史过去，但你们如何得知前面的六次文明呢。 并且如果你们发现了它们存在证据的话，还会否认和曲解事实。 这是你们头脑中的几分编程设计和几分纯无知。 我下面要和你说的只是你们这次的文明创造，因为前六次文明的人类都丧失了，所以不会关系到你们。

我们和「伊洛因」之间有一场很长的战争，包括伊洛因内部团体之间也是，因为他们中很多人认为一遍又一遍在地球上创造人类没什么真正意义。 我们最后一场战争发生在5,000 年前的地表和地球轨道上。 他们用强大的声波武器摧毁了我们的地底都市，而我们摧毁了他们许多地面和空间设施。 你们人类观察到这场战争，怀有极度的恐惧，他们将其书写到宗教神话中（由于他们尚不理解真正发生的事）。 伊洛因——作为第六、七次文明的「神」——告诉他们这是一场正邪对抗的战争，他们是正面，而我们是邪恶。 而这只是基于某种视角。 在他们到来地球并进化你们族类前，这是我们的行星。 以我的观点，这是我们为自己行星的权力而战。 以你们时间度量衡4,943 年前，伊洛因出于不明原因再次离开了地球（这对我们是非常重要的日子，因为我们很多历史学家称之为胜利日）。 事实是，我们不知道确切发生了什么事。 伊洛因走了一天又一天，带着他们的飞船杳无踪迹地消失了。 我们发现他们大多数地面设施已被他们自己毁坏。 于是人类走自己的路，你们的文明发展起来了。 未来几个世纪里，我们许多人和你们族类某些部落（多数是南方的）建立起接触，我们能够使他们中的一些相信我们不是伊洛因想让他们相信的那样是「邪恶的」 。 从距今4,900 年到现在，许多其他外星种族来到地球（其中一些用旧式教导并在你们心智中编程，再次为你们扮演「上帝」的角色），但是伊洛因本身再没回来。 他们离开这个星球为期几千年，所以我们希望有朝一日他们能够回来结束他们的计划，或也许是熄灭他们的第七次繁殖，不过我们的确不知道他们发生了什么事（预先回答你的问题）。

你们今日的文明不知道自己真实的起源、过去、你们真实的世界和宇宙，而且你们对我们和我们的过去知之甚少，对邻近未来将要发生的事也一无所知。 只要你不理解和相信我的话语——我告诉你真相，因为我们不是你们的敌人——你们族类就有危险。 你们的敌人已经在这里了，而你们还不知道。 睁大眼睛就会发现，你们很快将有大麻烦。 如果你仍不相信我之前说过的任何事，那就记住这个吧。

Ｑ：你为什么认为我不相信你？

Ａ：我有种你不相信我的感觉，尽管我就坐在你面前。 这两个小时里我告诉你的，是关于这个世界的绝对事实。

Ｑ：此刻有多少支外星种族在地球上活动？

Ａ：据我们所知有14 族。 11支从这个宇宙，2 支从另一个「气泡」，还有1 支非常先进，从一个非常不同的平原（plain）来。 别问我名字，因为对你们来说都无法发音，有八支甚至连我们也无法念得出来。 大多数族类——特别是先进的——只是把你们当作动物研究，对你我都不甚危险，我们和其中一些一道工作。 但是有三支是敌意的，包括与你们某些政府接触，交换科技以换取铜矿和其它重要事物，从而出卖你们人类种族。 在近73 年间，其中两支有敌意的外星人进行着「冷战」，而第三支看上去在这场无义的斗争中「胜出」了。 我们预料不久的将来在你们和他们之间有场更「火热」的战争（我会说在未来10-20 年间），并且我们担忧其进展。 上次有一些关于第15 支新族类3-4 年前来地球的传言，不过我们不知其意图，至今也没和他们建立起联系。 也许传言是错的。

Ｑ：那几个敌对的外星种族想要什么？

Ａ：多种矿藏，包括为他们科技使用的铜、水（或者说是水中的氢，是先进熔合过程的能量来源），以及空气中的某些化学元素。 此外，有两族对你们的身体感兴趣——血液和组织，因为他们自己的基因结构在很差的进化和辐射中（据我们所知）造成缺陷，需要你们人类和动物完整无缺的系列，不断修复他们自己的基因，但他们无法真正修复缺陷，因为他们和你们的DNA 并不完全匹配（我们族类的基因和他们完全不同，所以他们对我们没兴趣），并且试图在你们和他们之间通过人工授精和人造子宫制造更多相容的杂交。 我们预计未来战争将在这三支族类之间、你们自己之间、或你们与他们其一乃至全体之间为矿藏、氢、大气和DNA 而进行的战争。

Ｑ：这是「诱拐」的原因吗？

Ａ：部分是，尤其当外星人取得你们精子和卵子样本时。 有时候诱拐属于更先进的族类，他们只是想研究你们的身体和心智（比起物理身体来，这是他们更感兴趣的地方），好比你们研究基本动物一样。 像我说的，有三支外星人有敌意，这意味着他们不关心你们的命运或生命，被他们「诱拐」的人很少生还。 如果有人能报告那样的事件，我的看法是他/她没遇到侵略性的外星种族，或者实在是太幸运而逃生了。 高级「友好」的族类有时也取精卵，但出于其它原因。

Ｑ：你说现在地球上只有14 种外星人。 但为什么目击者描述的外星人有那么多不同的诡异类型呢？

Ａ：我想我已经回答了这个问题。 像我说的，许多先进的外星种族有比你甚至是我更先进的精神能力（只有一个种族完全没有这种能力），他们随时能出现在你的心智和记忆中，诱发与他们长相完全无关的「图像」。 你们把他们记作普通人类或小灰人或什至是极怪异的动物，因为他们想让你们记住这些，或者有时候令你们彻底忘记遭遇的记忆。 另一个例子：你只记得在一家医院里，几个医生为你在做检查，没再发生什么其它事（也许直到你发现街上并没有医院时才会怀疑），而实际上你是在他们一个实验室中被检查了。 在这种情况下你不能依赖头脑。 他们以不同形态出现令你混淆，并且令记得事件的所谓的诱拐证人——或那些相信他们自己记忆的人——在公众中出丑。 而他们成功了。 相信我，只有14 支在这个行星上，而现下只有8 支诱拐人类（就我们所知）。 此外，不是每个「被诱拐」的事件都是真的，而且他们报告的外星人有的只是想像或谎言。

Ｑ：我们该怎么保护自己抵御心智控制的影响呢？

Ａ：我不知道。 我估计你们不能，因为你们的心智像一本打开的书，我所知的几乎每个族类都能进行读写。 这是「伊洛因」自己的部分罪愆，因为他们自己创造或误创造了（部分是有意图的）你们的心智和意识，使之没有真正的保护机制。 如果你们意识到有人试图操纵你们的头脑，你们只能聚焦在猜疑上并试着分析你们的每个思绪和记忆。 很重要的是：别闭上眼睛（这会导向一个不同形式的脑波，使得接入更加容易），别坐下或躺下休息。 如果前几分钟里你保持清醒的话，你或许能试着过滤掉脑中其它的思绪和波，要是几分钟内不成功，施诱者就会停止进行，因为这样会开始伤害他/她自己的大脑。 这非常困难并有某种痛苦，会伤到你，所以别试着反抗，不过却又是你们唯一能做的可能性。 你们只能和较弱的族类尝试，而不是较强的。

Ｑ：「一支族类从一个非常不同的平原（plain）来。」这句话是什么意思？

Ａ：在我向你正确解释之前，你必须能够理解宇宙，并且也许这对你的头脑（包括去除了某些障碍）来说，教上几个星期也没有用，况且「教导」一词我指的并不全是言语词汇上的。 我用了你们的词汇「平原（plain）」或「层面（level）」，又是你们的字典中没有合适的词，并且「维度（次元）」在这里是绝对错误的（即便用另一个「气泡」也是错误的），因为维度无法脱离平原（plain）而存在。 如果你们成为生活在另一个平原或跨越平原生活的族类，而且如果你们能更进一步，不靠科技手段就进入平原，以至于你们的身体不被已知物质形成的话，那么你们就会成为所能想到的最有力量的生命。 我提到的那支非常高级的族类在这个世界以外发展，他们实际上已经进化了数十亿年。 他们能够仅靠念头就摧毁我们所有事物。 我们有史以来只接触过他们三次，因为他们对你们行星的兴趣不同于所有其他族类。 他们对你我来说都是绝对无害的。

Ｑ：战争开始的时候会发生什么事？

Ａ：这很难回答。 这取决于敌族和他们的策略。 「战争」并不总是你们人类用其来表达的最基本的意思，「战争」可以在很多层面展开。 一个可能性是他们通过影响政治领导人「破坏」你们的社会系统，另一个是用能够导致地震或火山爆发等灾难（包括天气灾害）的先进武器系统，在你们看来还以为是自然造成的。 刚才我提到熔解铜形成的特殊场，能够影响全球的天气。 我想他们不会在人类文明衰弱之前直接打击这个星球，即便你们有可能毁坏他们的飞行器（但不是很多），容我说，我们不能绝对确信未来真的会有一场「热战」。 我不想过多说这个。

Ｑ：这是访问的结尾。 你想不想最后再说点什么或是讯息？

Ａ：睁开眼睛看吧。 别仅是相信你们错误的历史或者你们的科学家和政客。 他们中有一些人知道很多事情的真相，但是不向公众公开以避免混乱和惊恐。 我想你们人类族类不像我们族类中的一些人认为的那么糟——糟到遗憾地看到你们的灭亡。 这就是我能说的。 以开放的眼睛心灵看这个世界，你们就能看到。 ——或者还是看不到，因为你们族类是无知的。

Ｑ：你认为有人会相信这次访谈是真实的吗？

Ａ：不，但这是我社会学科的有趣实验。 我会在几个月内再和你见面，到时候请你告诉我当我的讯息公布出去以后都发生了什么。

第一次访谈结束

爬虫族档案II（The Lacerta File II）

英文翻译：道格?巴利许（Doug Parrish）

简体中译：天云

转码正体及词汇修订：Scorpion

这篇译文为道格?巴利许（Doug Parrish）版权所有(c)2000。 在全部陈述未经更改的情况下可以全文、而不是部分被印发。 译者对译文保留所有权利。

前言

我再次重申以下文章绝对真实非虚构。 我在2000 年4 月27 日与爬虫生物「勒斯塔」第二次访谈过程中，用收录机录制了三卷原始录音带。 应勒斯塔要求，31 页原始文稿中的问答经修订和缩减，一些问题部分浓缩或作了校正，但保证可以撷取出讯息和重要性。 访谈这部分中没有完全提及或部分提及的，主要涉及个人事务，超常示范，爬虫族的社会系统以及外星科技及物理。

第二次会见日期和时间的变更可能是公布第一份手稿后，出于我个人的观察和监督。 尽管勒斯塔建议我保持身份隐匿而我也做了所有尝试，可在文件公布后仅两天，各种不同的事件还是发生了。 请别把我想成妄想狂，不过我相信访谈的公布吸引了官方或某组织的注意。 直到那时我还是认为，相信自己跟从理解了该陈述的那些人只不过都是说笑者而已。 不过自从一月的事件发生以来，我开始转变了看法。 这开始于我家电话好几个小时的失灵。 当恢复以后我打电话时，里面发出静静的回声、奇怪的敲击声和呼呼声。 从表面上找不出什么毛病。 整个晚上，我电脑上的重要资料都从硬碟消失了。 检测程序报告「有缺陷磁区」，而极为奇怪的是，涉及到的只是插图和访谈的全部文字材料。 这些「缺陷磁区」还包括了我实地研究的一种超自然现象材料（所幸的是软碟中留有备份）。 此外，我纯偶然地在一个隐藏目录中发现了一些隐藏资料。 目录和资料名为「E72UJ」。 我一个电脑专家朋友对这个名称毫不知晓，当我要给他看的时候，目录却消失了。 一天晚上，我寓所的门大开着，电视也开着——而我绝对确定自己已经关上了电视。

一辆有英国标识和印有全欧超市连锁字样的小型货车停在我房门前。 我注意到有好几次这辆车保持一定距离跟在我车后面，即使当我开到65 公里以外的XXXXX 小镇时也是如此。 返回的时候，那辆车又一次在街对面出现了。 我从没看到有人进出那辆车。 敲它的门和有色车窗没任何回应。 大约两周后，小货车消失了。 当我向EF 本人谈起这个问题的时候，他建议我更改会面的日期和时间以确保我和勒斯特的安全。 访谈在2000 年4 月27 日进行，在另一个隔离的地点。 据我推定不会被观察到。

再一次，所有这些听起来似乎都是古怪和妄想，像一部廉价科学虚构电影里的幻想一样。 不过，我只能再次重申并向读者保证：所有这些都是没有掺假的真实的事情。 信不信由你。 这些事发生了，并且还会继续发生。 直到一切都太晚前。 我们的文明正处于危险中。

再会。

Ole. K.

爬蟲族檔案 第2-1部分
英文翻譯：道格‧巴利許 
簡體中譯：天云
這篇譯文為道格‧巴利許（ Doug Parrish ）版權所有 (c)2000 。在全部陳述未經更改的情况下可以全文、而不是部分被印發。譯者對譯文保留所有權利。

爬蟲族檔案 II （ The Lacerta File II ）
前言
我再次重申以下文章絕對真實非虛構。我在 2000 年 4 月 27 日與爬蟲生物“勒斯塔”第二次訪談過程中，用收錄機錄製了三卷原始錄音帶。應勒斯塔要求， 31 頁原始文稿中的問答經修訂和縮减，一些問題部分濃縮或作了校正，但保證可以提取出訊息和重要性。訪談這部分中沒有完全提及或部分提及的，主要涉及個人事務，超自然示範，爬蟲族的社會系統以及外星科技及物理。
第二次會見日期和時間的變更可能是公布第一份手稿後，出於我個人的觀察和監督。儘管勒斯塔建議我保持身份隱匿而我也做了所有嘗試，可在文件公布後僅兩天，各種不同的事件還是發生了。請別把我想成妄想狂，不過我相信訪談的公布吸引了官方或某組織的注意。直到那時我還是認為，相信自己跟從理解了該陳述的那些人只不過都是說笑者而已。不過自從一月的事件發生以來，我開始轉變了看法。這開始於我家電話好幾個小時的失靈。當恢復以後我打電話時，裡面發出靜靜的回聲、奇怪的敲擊聲和呼呼聲。從表面上找不出什麽毛病。整個晚上，我電腦上的重要資料都從硬碟消失了。檢測程序報告“有缺陷磁區”，而極為奇怪的是，涉及到的只是插圖和訪談的全部文字資料。這些“缺陷磁區”還包括了我實地研究的一種超自然現象材料（所幸的是軟碟中留有備份）。此外，我純偶然地在一個隱藏文件夾中發現了一些隱藏資料。文件夾和資料名為“ E72UJ ” 。我一個電腦專家朋友對這個名稱毫不知曉，當我要給他看的時候， 文件夾却消失了。一天晚上，我寓所的門大開著，電視也開著 —— 而我絕對 確定自己已經關上了電視。
一輛有英國標識和印有全歐超市連鎖字樣的小型貨車停在我房門前。我注意到有好幾次這輛車保持一定距離跟在我車後面，即使當我開到 65 公里 以外的 XXXXX 小鎮時也是如此。返回的時候，那輛車又一次在街對面出現了。我從沒看到有人進出那輛車。敲它的門和有色車窗沒任何回應。大約兩周後，小貨車消失了。當我向 E.F. 本人談起這個問題的時候，他建議我更改會面的日期和時間以確保我和勒斯特的安全。訪談在 2000 年 4 月 27 日進行，在另一個隔離的地點。據我推定不會被觀察到。
再一次，所有這些聽起來似乎都是古怪和妄想，像一部廉價科學虛構電影裡的幻想一樣。不過，我只能再次重申並向讀者保證：所有這些都是沒有摻假的真實的事情。信不信由你。這些事發生了，並且還會繼續發生。直到一切都太晚前。我們的文明正處於危險中。
再會。
Ole. K.
2000 年 5 月 3 日

訪談手稿（縮減版本）
日期： 2000 年 4 月 27 日
［ Ole. K. 的評論：這次的會談，從我通過信賴的朋友分發第一次訪談記錄而收 到匿名讀者對各個問題的觀點和評價的來信開始。其中一些觀點 —— 總計有 超過 14 頁 —— 包括 了從根本的宗教性、到狂熱地想要與爬蟲族建立接觸這種傾向的評論。有些短語像“地獄的僕人”或“邪惡的族類”出現。在這裡我不想過多描述，因為我不想進一步傳遞任何錯誤和激進的思想。］
問：當你讀到這些宗教性和充斥著仇恨的評論，你會有什麽感覺？你我族類之間的關係是那麽完全否定的嗎？
答：如果我說我對此並不十分生氣，你是不是很驚訝？我完全預料到這樣的極端反應。對另一個族類全然否定的編程（特別是對爬蟲族）被深深植入了你們每個人的個體意識裡。這個古老的限定主幹由你們第三次文明而來，並且從生物學上講，作為一條訊息基因組一代又一代遺傳了下去。
把我們族類鑒定為黑暗勢力，是伊洛因（ Illojiim ）的最初意圖，他們喜歡看到自 己是光明的角色 —— 而這又是自相矛盾的，因為人類種族自己對光明又 是十分敏感。要是你們期盼我做些冒犯的事的話，從某種程度上講，我猜恐怕要令你們失望了。這些隱匿的意圖並不是你們的錯，你們只是繼承了祖先的大部分。
真正有點兒失望的是，你們中有很多人沒發展出特別强烈的自我良知，而這個本是能幫助你們跨越限制的。我之前說過，我們在最近幾個世紀裡和某些更原始的人類部落直接接觸過，這些部落成功打破了老的“創造程序”。他們能毫無壓力、毫無憎恨或完全拒絕地同我們會面。
顯然你們現代文明中的很多個體沒有以他們自己的立場，而是被程序和宗教所左右（這也是古老的設計和伊洛因部分計劃的體現）。因此對這些評論，我會以消遣而不是憤怒來對待。這些只是確信估量我對你們固化了的思維模式的揣測。
問：那麽你們就不是“邪惡的族類”了？
答：我該怎麽回答好呢？你們的思緒依然建基於一個普遍化的、簡單和完全不合宜的設計之上。簡要說好了，沒有純粹邪惡的族類。每支本星 / 外星種族都有善 / 惡的個體，即使你們也如此 。但沒有純粹邪惡的族類這回事。這個觀念真的是太過簡單。你們的人民從遠古時代就相信你們被期望相信 的 —— 你們的創造者為你們設定該相信的東西。
每種非常聞名的族類， 也是更高度發展的群體，由大量的個體意識組成（至少意識的一部分是個體的，即便意識場是相互連接的）。這些自給自足的靈魂能够為其自由地决定善、惡的生活方式。這是依照你們人類標準來說的，同樣是仰賴個人觀點。
你們未必能够判斷一個高度發展的族類所為是正還是邪，因為你們站在一個較低的視角，而在這種視角是不可能進行評估的。你們“正”、“邪”這兩個簡單的詞語，概括了所有的趨向，而在我們的語言裡，由個體行為對比社會規範之各種陰影，有許多種概念。
甚至是那些對你們所為傾向於對立的外星種族也不是“邪惡的族類”，即使他們行事對你們族類不尊重 。他們有他們自己的理由，並且並不視自己為邪惡。你們被構造的思維模式更加綫性和聚焦於他們是這樣，因而也就表現為如此。一個族類對另一個族類存在的態度自然非常大地取决於各自的思維模式，每個族類都設定自己的優先權。
去區分“善”、“惡”是非常原始的，因為任何族類的生存都為很多事情力爭，你們也是一樣，哪怕是那些各種各樣最壞或最負面取向的事情 。在這點上我不排斥我們族類也是這樣，因為過去有些事件我個人也是不贊成的，這些我不想在此詳述。不過這些事件沒有在以你們的時間尺度近 200 年內發生的。
請注意下面的話： 沒有絕對的好族類，也沒有絕對的壞族類 ，因為每支族類都是由個體組成的 。
問：在我收到的信件中，有問題問你能否細述一些上次提到的高等物理。很多人說，你的話沒意義。例如， UFO 是怎麽運行的，怎麽飛的，怎麽執行操縱的？
答：我應該向大衆解釋這個嗎？根本不是那麽簡單的。讓我想一下。我總得用很簡單的話向你們講明白更高等科學的基本原理。我試著這麽講好了：你們得清楚幾個基本事實。首先你們得分開物理世界的概念，因為每種存在都由不同層面構成，通俗地說它包括物質幻像和其場域空間（ Feldraum ） 的影響範圍 。
某些物理條件僅與物質領域（如“具體化”）有關，其它更複雜的條件則聯繫到物質世界的場域空間。你們對物理世界的概念是基於一個簡單的物質幻像基礎上的。該幻像再度細分成三種初級的或基本的物質。另有第四種非常重要的條件同樣存在，而你們並未重視它。它是場域空間或電漿（ plasma ）場的邊界。
對你們來說，被控制的變形、物質頻率的振動提升，以及這第四種物質聚集狀態的穩定存在，這幾種理論不為你們熟悉、或你們只在很原始水平上的了解（插一句，有物質的第五種狀態，是“後電漿態”［ post-plasma state ］但太過超前而只會混淆你們。此外，作為基礎理論的瞭解也是不必要的，它與你們描述為超自然的多種現象有關）。
現在回到重點：電漿 （譯註： Plasma ，是一種由自由電子和帶電離子為主要成分的物質形態，廣泛存在於宇宙中，常被視為是物質的第四態，被稱為電漿態，或者“超氣態”。電漿體具有很高的電導率， 與電磁場存在極强的耦合作用） … 我並不是指“熱空氣” —— 通常被你們簡化的概念 —— 而是物質的更高聚集狀態。
物質的電漿態是物質的 特殊形式，介於真實存在和場域空間之間。那就是，當物質被“推擠 ” （ pushed or shoved ）時，會造成質量的完全喪失或以不同形式的能量增長。

物質的第四種狀態對某些物理條件來說非常重要，這些條件能用在例如… 我該怎麽跟你表達呢… 啓動反重力（這是一個奇怪的人類詞彙，並不十分確切，但這麽用你應該理解）。本質上來說，在真實的物理世界裡，沒有所謂正負兩極的力，而只有在不同層次上的單一巨大的統一力，及“與觀察者相依的反射行為”。通過反重力和不同層次間的重力取代，一個人能够，例如，將物體漂浮。這個理論被我們和外星族類部分採用為 UFO 的推進力 。
你們人類在一個原始的程度上應用這一個簡單的法則，為你們軍方的秘密計劃服務，但由於你們多多少少竊取了這種科技（後來被外星族類有意造假傳授給你們），你們缺乏真正物理上的理解。結果是，你們不得不困擾於你們製造的 UFO 之不穩定和輻射問題。以我瞭解到的訊息來說，已經有大量的人們死亡於强輻射和場干擾。
你難道不同意，這也是一個“正”、“邪”的例子嗎？你們同不瞭解的力量玩游戲，因而接受你們自己族類同僚之死，因為他們死於一個更大的原因，意即為了科技的進步，結果又是為了戰爭服務，也就是追求負面。現在，一個人可以作出對你有利的判决，只有最 少數的人類知道這些外星人的計劃 —— 如你們所闡釋的 —— 最高機密。
對這些科技，你們被告知，使用的基本物質元素序數或等級次序越高，成功條件就越簡單，但這只是部分正確。如果你們不能包圍好這種力量，就最好不要嘗試。可你們却總是忽視，將其置於腦後，玩弄自己尚不理解的力量。怎麽會變成這樣了呢？
還記得銅熔合嗎？依靠與感應輻射場在正確的角度的波動，銅會和其它元素熔合（物質幻像被熔合，不同的場在場域空間中的彼此重疊，但主要的力場將在那過程反射，出現一個類似正負兩極的狀態）。産生的連接和場因為不能在一般條件下穩定，因而不適合來應用。結果是，整個場的光譜偏移至一個更高的類似電漿狀態，由此，光譜連同這個粗糙的偏移，移轉 到力場極性相反的一端 —— 這裡用詞不正確 —— 這力場變得類似於重 力偏移。
這個偏移造成一個相互排斥的兩極力的“傾斜”，而這兩極力此刻不再流向力場內部，而是部分流向力場外部。結果是內部分層反射力場，非常難於利用某些技術邊界來調節其自身特性。不過它還是能執行很多任務，例如使厚重的飛行物體漂浮調動。同樣能在電磁輻射領域發揮僞裝的 作用，以及操縱短暫的時間次序 —— 實際上是非常短的跨度 —— 還有 一些其它的事。
你熟悉你們的“量子隧道效應”嗎？如果場平面的頻率和距離足够高的話，即便是真實物質中的振幅等化也在能在這種場中達成。不幸的是，所有我用你們的話解釋給你聽的都太過粗糙原始而顯得古怪和無法理解，但這樣簡單的闡釋也許會為你們的理解幫點小忙。不過同樣地，也許幫不了什麽。
問：有沒有超自然力量的科學證實，例如你們思想的力量？
答：有的。為了解釋這點，一個人必須得承認場域空間（ Feldraum ）在物理上的真實存在。我來試試看… 稍等… 你將要把自己的頭腦從物理幻像中脫離出來而看到宇宙的真實性質了。不過充其量對你們這還是一個側面的表相而已。想像一下這裡所有的物質，你，桌子，鉛筆，這套技術設備，這張 紙 —— 都不是真正意義上的存在，而只是場振動及能量聚集的結果 。你 所能看到的所有物質，宇宙中的每個生物，每顆行星，及位於主力場的場域空間內都有一個“同等的訊息與能量”（ information-energy equivalent ）——（事物的）總體層面（ level ）。
現在，不只有一個層面，而是很多個。上次我提到高度發展的外星族類能够改變層面（這完全不同於簡單的 “ 氣泡”轉換，因為氣泡只是每一層面的一個部分）。明白嗎？你們所稱的維度，是單獨某個氣泡的一部分，而氣泡群或宇宙泡沫是層面的一部分，層面是場域空間中的層，場域空間扮演著單一物理尺寸的能力，它是永恒的；它由數不清的訊息能量層和一般層面構成。在場域空間內沒有無效的層面，所有的都相同，但是依靠它們的能量狀况而分離。我注意到已經把你搞糊塗了，我想就此打住吧。
問：不，還請繼續。有形的超自然力是如何發生的？
答：好吧，讓我簡化些。同樣並不完全是正確的，用這種方式說好了：（宇宙）實際的物質在場域空間（ Feldraum ）內，作為一個伴有清晰層的場域被鏡像。這些層包含了訊息，例如，關於物質的簡單結構或弦之頻率。但在物質的發展中還有一個儲存的訊息填塞物。
你對你們人類“形態發生場”（ morphogenetic fields ）這個概念熟悉嗎？層的一個部分可以被這樣指定。現在，還有另一個中間層，遺憾的是你們沒有概念，因為這個理論在人們的思想中非同一般。讓我們叫它“超層”（ para-layer ）吧，因為這個層主要負責你們稱為 PSI 、超自然和在你們原始科學界限以外的每樣事物。這個“超層”位於物質層和場域空間內某個場的形態發生層之間。它能使兩者結合。
例如你們的身體，就是作為場域空間（ Feldraum ）內的一個場被鏡 像。那倒不是說它不存在於這裡 —— 像血、肉、骨 —— 以事件之弦或 原子的形式。但僅限於此。存在總是二元性的。場中的一些層包含你們身體中固體物質的簡單訊息和它的頻率，而另一些層包含你們的精神、意識、或者以人類的宗教觀點來稱，靈魂。
在這裡，覺查或自覺（ Awareness or consciousness ）是一個簡單的能量母體，分割進入場域空間內你們的場之不 同的層裡 —— 不多不少正好。真正的覺查同樣可以在物質層面存在，但 只能以“後電漿（ post-plasma ）”（第五種物質）的形式。借助必要的物理知識和傳遞技術，覺查或自覺母體，即靈魂，同樣能從這個靜止場中被分離出來。
它能够任其移動，且以一種自給自足的形式相當長時間持續存在。它有個玄妙的名字叫“靈魂掠奪”（ soul robbing ）。不過首先，我們在這裡討論的是科學，不是魔術或黑暗之力。
［ Ole. K. 的注釋：“靈魂掠奪”（ soul robbing ）一詞，在一個基本的宗教引發的評論裡被提及與爬蟲族有關。］
回到你的問題：精神力量强的族類能依靠他們的覺查或自覺場直接影響 “超層”。現在該層不只是受限於個體，而是普遍訊息層的一部分 —— 你 們或許會稱之為共有靈魂（ community souls ） —— 連接所有生氣勃勃和死氣沉沉的物質以及所有存在於這個主要層面上的意識。這些能力的誘因從生物學上講，位於物質這一邊，順便提一句，腦下垂體是發動頻率以激化對場域空間之控制的位置。即使是你們人，理論上也能做到。然而在這些事情上你們却被牢牢地被你們的創造者封閉住了。
如我所言，超層能够連接意識心智和物質。例如，如果我想再度利用我的精神能力移動這根鉛筆，那麽簡單來說，我在心智中設想我的覺查 / 自覺如何能够在物質這一邊、以“後電漿”的形式將自身擴展 / 放大增强到鉛筆上。在場域空間裡，這引起從覺查 / 自覺層到超層的一個同步進行的自動命令，去結合鉛筆的物質 / 層。由於超層不被形體所限制，所以鉛筆躺在那裡也不算問題，即使不移動我的物理身體，我也能準確地抓到它。後電漿體在這邊，超層在另一邊。我已經控制住了鉛筆，交感作用將鉛筆的物質場帶到它移動進入哪一個，就會將形式改變到哪里的點上。
［ Ole K. 的注釋：我證實這裡提到的那根鉛筆此時突然跳到 20 公分高的空中，然後落到桌子上。錄音帶裡可以清楚地聽到這個聲音。顯然沒有人碰到鉛筆。］
問：太不可思議了。用那個都能做出什麽樣的超自然行為？
答：什麽都行。所有你們叫作超自然行為的。像我說的，這個特別的層處在場域空間內，介於形態發生層（ morphogenetic ）和物質層之間，能連結兩邊的聯繫。這就是說，它能連接上固態物質和心智或精神訊息，從而達成任何遙動和心靈感應這類事。
與另一個意識 / 知曉（ consciousness/awareness ）的“連接吸收”，通常從物質的簡單影響過程中被分離，因為不同的意識 / 知曉伴隨不同的振動一道工作。一個意識 / 知曉送出或傾聽，在實現任何接取前，必須首先準確地適應自己與其他心智。大多數族類同樣有可能封鎖住外來的接取，但你們人類不行。
以下是奏效的：超能力越强的族類，適應和接取他們就越簡單。我們的能力尚未發展强大，因此首先我們要明確 學習外來心智的影響，以圖應用我們的（例如）模仿 —— 實際上在你們人類心智中這是非常簡單的事，那是由於你們被植入了開關的緣故。
某些這種能力可以部分遺傳。我們族類的母親和孩子在頭幾個月裡準確地調諧 —— 一部分時間是在孕婦肚內的卵中 —— 以心靈感應交流。例如為 了影響你們人類，我們需要一定的時間練習。雖然你們（在這方面）結構簡單，我們仍是被禁止的這麼作。
例如我們族類的成年人在“啓迪”階段之前不能上到地表（那個術語和其它事情例如全部體力，是同義的）。在能力沒有全部發展完善的情况下，被你們發現的危險是很大的。順帶提一句，當然有大量的秘密教導可以教給人們學會這些能力，但我對其毫無所知。
當一個外星人想施加影響時，就需有一些有效的步驟，是被其它外星種族設置在行動裡的。首先最重要的是，必須能感覺到一個外來的振動，一些通常是被大腦自動完成的振動。其一是場振動，其二是在這裡正規空間（物質空間）的准電子腦波。
這不特別難。那之後，對另一個意識 / 知曉的心智，通過表現後電漿進行簡單的探測，場域空間遂起作用並形成連接。現在該人能够從前者讀出訊息，並將想要的訊息記錄在確切位置上。
你上次問我，你們有沒有機會保護自己免於這種影響，我告訴你，只有一個清醒並集中的心智才可能有機會抵擋得住。在這種心智狀態下，振動改變非常突然而使得接入變得困難，更準確講，會變成反彈傷害。可你們要是閉起了眼睛，場就會變得“扁平”，外來對心智的接取就會毫無拘束變得立即可能。
你們要是對抗的是高度發達族類的話，就根本沒有機會擺脫。他們能够在你們做出改變之前更快地調整振動。我可以在你身上驗證這點，但上次你真是被嚇到又迷糊了，所以我只解釋給你聽就好了。
這個解釋恐怕會讓你們聽起來像 —— 深奧、從神秘或從魔法中來一樣。 那僅僅是因為你們缺少看到其背後原因的基本領會。所有超自然現象都有純科學的緣起。跟超現實的力量毫無關係。我們是由這類知識長大的，我們知道一個人如何使用這些力，以及這些力都是從哪兒來。我們通曉理論和實踐，而你們則否。因而，你們確實不知道世界發生了什麽事 —— 你們只看到存在的一面，而看不到另一面（我指的兩面都是物理的） 。
任何超自然的東西都是二元的，存在於物質居於其中的空間裡，也存在於場域空間裡 。作為解釋… 只能是去接受後者，因為場域空間才是根本。我希望科學問題到此為止，因為你實在沒能抓到邊兒。我們有點在浪費寶貴的時間。
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爬蟲族檔案 第2-2部分
英文翻譯：道格‧巴利許 
簡體中譯：天云
問：只有一個問題了。去年（ 1999 年） 12 月份我們見面時，你明確表示不想討論科學和超自然的議題。怎麽現在又放開了？
答：上次我看到沒必要讓你承載過多關於這類的事實（現在你顯然超負荷了）。所以我選擇只提到這類議題的外圍。不過顯然我今天的成績是讓你思考你們的世界了，還不太壞。順便說一句，你們的科學家傾向於將我的評論視爲“欺騙”。所以我看這個訊息大範圍傳出去沒什麽大的危險。沒人會過多關注它。
還有，把我刻畫爲“邪惡生物”的人們有其超自然的力量和魔 法之基本信仰 —— 而這兩樣都是不存在的。沒有魔法，只有高度發展的 科技， 任何你們標識爲“魔法”的事物都只是科學的一部分 。如果你們能理解，就會往前邁進一步。我對這個議題的放開就到此爲止。請問其它問題吧。
問：好的。我們說說 UFO 吧。你能說說我們政府是如何占有 UFO 的材料並將其用在啓動自己項目上的嗎？和“羅斯威爾事件”有沒有關係？
（譯註： 1947 年 7 月 3 日，在罕見的大雷雨夜晚後，在美國新墨西哥州羅斯威爾（ Rowell ）附近，農夫布萊索（ William Brazil ）在他的農場發現遍布滿地的金屬碎片。隔幾日在距農場西邊五公里 的荒地上，一位工程師葛拉第（ Grady ）發現一架金屬碟形物的殘骸，直徑約九公尺碟形物裂開，有好幾個屍體分散在碟形物裡面及外面地上。這些屍體體型非常瘦小，身長僅 100 到 130 公分 ，體重只有 18 公斤，無毛髮、大頭、大眼、小嘴巴，穿整件的緊身灰色制服 . 軍方發布一篇新聞稿，於 七月九日 當地以頭條新聞刊載，宣稱空軍軍方發現飛碟。但是在六小時後，軍方急忙安排一個記者招待會，聲明根本沒有飛碟這回事。墜毀的物體只不過是帶著雷達反應器的氣象氣球而已。由於事出突然，使大衆懷疑其中是否有隱情。每個人都相信氣象氣球的說法是經過修正後的聲明，遂成爲五十年來，懸而未决的“羅斯威爾事件”。 雖然有幾百人曾參與或可以提出證據證明“羅斯威爾事件”的真實性，但是由於官方資料已毀，政府當然不能承認這個事件的真實性。因此五角大厦始終以蒙古人計劃（ Mogul Project ） —— 當年一枚氣球墜落地面所遺留的殘骸，來掩飾羅斯威爾事件。雖然美國官方不能確認其真實性，但是民間曾研究該案的所有人士，却都深信不疑。）
（有關“羅斯威爾事件”詳請參閱： 羅斯威爾事件 ）
答：是的，但那次事件不是第一個。我不是歷史學家，我研究的只是你們當前的行爲，所以我對你們那些歷史事件的知識恐怕有限。我會試著給你解釋發生在那個時期我所知道的那些事情。給我點時間想一下。以你們的時間度量衡 1946 年至 1953 年，有五次外星飛船在地面墜毀的事件。
在你們稱爲“羅斯威爾事件”的墜毀中，不只有一艘外星飛船捲入，而是兩艘飛船在（你們稱爲）美國的西部碰撞後在不同地點墜毀的（你要知道這種特殊族類的飛船即使受損，也仍能在空中漂浮一段時間。這就解釋了墜毀地點的不同）。這次並不是第一次墜毀，但那次以後跟著又有了第二、第三次。另一艘飛船墜毀於 1946 年，確是毀得沒法用了。
解釋之前有一件事：一個高度發展的外星飛船完全墜毀，這在你們聽來的確顯得荒謬，並且又在接連很短的時間裡墜毀了很多起。作爲解釋，聽起來又是同樣奇怪，却是正確的。問題不在於駕駛本身，而在於你們行星場 的方向。我們討論的族類 —— 在這段時間還在，他們使用的是碟形飛船 —— 推進系統採用一般的熔合法則，這點確定。
不過那時有一支族類 用的是場校準這種更加非傳統的方法。這種方法有很多好處，但也有壞處。抵觸場一定會以絕對正確的角度出現在地表上。這支族類在飛船上使用校準技術，因而場鎖定在地球磁場的所有點上。那時候這支族類剛來地球，他們首次著陸的著眼點在於穩定的地球磁場，想以此調校駕駛。可地球磁場並不總那麽穩定，會有循環變化並且在不順利的條件下會形成場漩渦。
當這支族類駕駛飛船進入太强的場波動或漩渦中的時候，短時間內抵觸場就不再正確地校準自己，飛船就會失去控制，滑離路綫。駕駛操作毫無疑問是正確的，但場波動由四面八方而來，正是由此飛船才墜毀。 1947 年的墜毀事件，我的理解是其中一艘飛船遇到了波動，場無意中連接到了他們自己的飛行總隊，於是和另一艘飛碟碰撞，造成兩者的嚴重損傷。
那次磁場波動的誘因可能是氣象活動造成的電子干擾。結果兩艘飛船全部墜毀，其中一艘墜於撞擊點附近，另一艘墜於大約 100 公里遠的地方。碟內所有成員全部死亡。這種瘦殼形的碟形結構本身不十分穩定，因爲並不是設計用來承受撞擊、以及在外力作用的地方飛行的。
你們軍方首先搜集到碎片，後來發現了整艘飛船以及船上人員屍體。他們當即將這件事置於“最高機密”，然後運到軍事基地進行分析和發動。這 秘密的努力在於將其科技運用以對抗 —— 對那個偉大的國家來說邪惡的敵人們。真是原始得荒謬。
我相信記得 —— 不過不想把日期說確切 —— 介於 1949 年至 1952 年之間有一場嚴重的事故，當時對其中一艘失事飛碟做完了一些研究。以我聽到的來說（那個政府的成員告訴我們族類的），在沒作防護的情况下無意中啟動了其中一個動力元件，結果在很短的時間 內 —— 我該怎麽表達呢 —— 環境産生出一個無法控制的漂移進入似電漿 態，而另一方面，通過這個極爲不幸的事故，造成普通力場翻轉進入巨大能量的磁脉衝中。
你知不知道電漿磁性顛簸，當與有機體連接的時候會是什麽結果嗎？不，你怎麽會知道呢，當然不知道了。那會在場結構和生物電反饋中造成干擾。如果願意的話，你可以想像一個人類軀體被明亮的火焰吞沒三到四天的時間。那些火焰顯然在體內，最後將身體燃至油盡燈枯。那麽，對所發生的事，你現在就有一個大概印象了吧。我想有大約 20-30 個人在那間實驗室裡被殺。
1950 年至 1953 年有更多次墜毀發生在美國大陸水源彙集區。那些失事的飛船能够被相對完好地復原。（ 1953 年那一架，我記得甚至還有一個完整的動力核心。正是依靠那個設備，你們才得以第一次看見你們自己所瞭解的全部概念都是錯的，你們對其的重建也都是不正確的。即使是今天你們也沒做對。）在頭一個場所建造了飛船的那支族類，是對你們不友善的一族，自然就擔心他們的技術被你們研究。
然而他們不希望那麽早就和你們發生正面衝突，所以他們選擇外交途徑，於 1960 年代和（美國）政府建立起接觸。當然他們沒有暴露出真實意圖：銅、氫和水，而是假裝成好奇的“研究人員”，並向人們展示飛船的原理以圖換回些“好感”。頭腦簡單的你們，當然接受了… 也就被騙了。
你們給了他們原生礦質，給了他們隱匿場所去建立基地，給了他們進入你們國防最高機密數據的權限，給了他們接取你們 DNS （ DNA ？）的權力，還有更 多 —— 而所有一切都只是爲了平息你們對權力和情報的貪婪。外星族類們當然很快就意識到了你們是頭腦簡單的生物，於是把關於他們科技假的、劣等的資訊給你們，從而獲得遠遠超過同你們族類合作所得到的東西。
舉個例子，他們給你們的資訊是（飛碟）動力只能用高原子序列的不穩定元素去建構，但他們却保留了訊息 —— 場動力能够用各種修 正去建構，用低原子序列的穩定元素也是可以的，並且這才是通常的方式。通過這種一半的事實，他們使你們依賴於合成高階元素，繼而被他們自己的科技所更新。
他們幫你們建設 UFO 的路綫是這樣的：解决老問題，新問題馬上跟著就産生。他們沒告訴過你們全部事實，却一遍又一遍用聰明的謊言欺騙，之後就會造成技術 難題 —— 而 使得你們不得不依賴他們 。
在 20 世紀 70 年代末和 80 年代初，有很多事件最終歸納爲外星族類和你們 的政府 —— 我不想說得過細，因爲有很多我也沒完全的把握。來龍去脉 所有事情中有些是新的，或更好地說，是你們將自建的飛船僞裝，在野外測試飛行導致部分失敗之老的技術問題。因爲此，保密功能受到威脅。
你們的軍方和政客，非常非常緩慢 地 —— 在 20 多年以後得出結論，自己被那外星族類騙了。雙方大量的不和諧以及超越限度的談判最終導致你們與外星族類的口角，後來達到頂點的事情是，三架外星飛行物體起飛穿越了一個特殊 的 —— 你們怎麽叫？ —— EMP （電磁脉衝）武器，而軍方小規模打擊了他們其中一個地下設施。
結果是，外星人收回了與你們的所有聯繫，並且可想而知對你們族類抱有憤怒。所以，我看著對你們懷有敵意的三支族類當中的外星人，而與此同時另外兩支正忙於自己的事務，在他們中發動在行星上的冷戰。你們的“老朋友”和合作夥伴正爲自己做準備，以最終絕對支配原生礦質和人類的 DNS （ DNA ？）。
此刻他們可能尚缺乏直接達到他們目的之技術可能性和足够的力量。除了這些，我們預料他們 的負面行爲 —— 恐怕是更微妙的 —— 會在未來幾年或幾十年內對抗你 們 。
問：那麽另一支外星人對這種類似戰爭的行爲不管不顧嗎？特別應該是更加高度發展外星人的某些事務。
答：你錯了。 越高度發展的外星人對你們的命運就越不關心 。你們對他們來說是動物，在一座巨大實驗室裡的動物 。可理解的是，其他外星族類對你們的干擾會攪亂他們的計劃，不過我不認爲他們爲此會與那些族類對質。他們中的許多也許會找另一顆實驗行星，或在一段很長的時間跨度內研究你們的行爲和你們的意識 / 知曉，因爲危機境况吸引他們的研究。
當你們正觀察螞蟻丘的時候，另一個人走過來踩了上去，你會做什麽？你繼續走你的路，或者去找另一個蟻丘，又或者繼續觀察蟻丘的危機。即便你們比踩蟻丘的人要塊大和强壯，又會不會爲螞蟻捍衛呢？不會。你們以自己以爲的觀念設想高等外星人。你們是螞蟻，別盼望著他們的幫助。
當你們的老搭檔們開始明顯集結行動的時候，我們當然也會找人幫忙。那 個人類政府（指美國）中的很多成員都完全知道我們的存在 —— 部分是 出於舊式宗教的基礎。例如，首都（紐約）有一座部分半地下的建築，那完全是提供我們族類的，並且有一部電梯井直接通往地下系統。在這幢建築裡，部分會議曾經並一直在我們與人類之間召開。我們在最近幾年給你們傳遞了訊息，就我所知，我們會盡可能保持自己遠離衝突。你們得學會自己解决自己的問題，或者變得足够智慧不再造成這樣的情形。誰會來並且站到你們一邊，只有時間能够證明。我實在不想作出任何暗示。
問：我這兒有五張不同的 UFO 圖片，你能告訴我哪些是真的嗎？
答：我試一下。今天你提的很多問題連我也不能毫不含糊地回答上來。別高估我的知識，我在外星科技和飛船建造上不是專家。不過確實之處在於，真實的“ UFO ” 有很多技術細節和特性，可以區別自然現象或人爲僞造。你們有時候僞造真實飛船的樣式，所以要想完全肯定地鑒定出來並不容易。我會試試看。遞給我吧。
［ Ole K. 的評論：她分別看了各張照片僅幾秒鐘的時間，然後挑出了第 1 、 3 、 5 張。］
這三張照片明顯是僞造或鑒別錯誤。這第一張，讓我看上去顯然像一艘真 實的小外星飛船模型。缺少技術上的重要特徵 —— 與場的聯繫。概括來 說，一張照片越假，飛船輪廓的顔色就越清晰。因爲漂浮的飛船通常是隱藏在移動場條件下的，而由於調校會扭曲顔色或形態。或許聽起來奇怪，但是朦朧似幽靈般地照片有時候可以指出其或許是真實的。
還有，這架飛行器在水面上。如果是一艘真實的飛船，我們無論如何都要麽會看到水槽，要麽會看到水面膨起。由於這張照片水面平靜，顯然不是真飛船。以我的觀點，這三張都不是真實飛行的物體或 UFO 。在這一張照片裡，我首先看到它不是飛行物體，更像是在你們簡單的光學相機裡産生出來的光反射。你們真應該變聰明些，別被這樣的混淆左右了。當你們大衆追逐贋品和欺騙很長一段時期的時候，對於眼前真正發生的事，就會發現太遲了。
第 2 張照片：法國 , Albiosc, 1974

1974 年 3 月 23 日，當一個大 UFO 從法國上空飛過， 
一位匿名法國醫生在塔溫奈斯拍攝了這張照片。
這張像是真的，至少顯示出了必要的特徵。我乍一看，認爲它是在近 35 年間訪問地球的一支外星族類。飛行器本身是金屬碟型，的確由於場效應造成形態和顔色的扭曲。船體底部本身這四道白色、長長的“工序”描繪了一種准重力光操縱，也就是，整體力場在模擬重力的方向上被轉移。實際上它不是真正的光（當你們看到照亮的 UFO 的時候，通常都不是真正的光）， 而是一種特別强大充能形式的場，在空間中證實自己 —— 使物質像光一 樣居於其中。
在大氣中啟動這種特殊高能系統的原因我並不完全清楚，可能是環境的某種調查或影響。不管怎麽說，那支族類太粗心了，讓人類拍攝到其技術。我猜你們大多數人只是抱怨理解不了，而知道的人是不會告之大衆任何東西的。
第 4 張照片：比利時， Petit Rechain, 1990

這實際上是空中物體，却不是外星人的。飛行的三角形外星人是不會用的，或者至少不以這種形式。那種改變的形態是人類用的概念。這是你們軍方利用不成熟的外星科技的秘密計劃之一，那是在 1960-1970 年之間外星人傳授給你們的。
一般來說，真正外星飛船的殼體形態是沒有結論的，因爲場本身內部沒有外力的任何影響，通常飛船有完美的形態而沒有棱 角 —— 像碟形或圓柱形 —— 由此 場才得以更容易地流動。你們利用外星驅動場的計劃裡還有一個噴氣發動機系統，因此總是三角形，並且是用流綫型製造的，以使這種原始的後坐力原理更易操縱。
在這張照片裡，首先看到飛船在其真實的場中滑行。你看見旋轉圓柱中類似的光和扭曲了麽？這無疑是照片真實性的表示。但你也許問爲什麽會有 4 個圓柱？那是不正常的 —— 即使是間隔看起來也不正確。顔色非常暗，並且內部的光扭曲非常明顯。
推測起來，似乎是你們科學家對原有系統的改造。由於反目以後，外星族類沒再提供科技給你們，他們只得自己試驗，却不知道由於不懂，做的是何等危險。這個構造不會讓系統更好地工作，只會造成不穩定。兩個向前的圓柱距離太近了，肯定會流進另一個裡。從顔色我看出來有强烈的殘餘輻射，這很可能又是家常便飯地使用高階元素來移動的。無論如何在場附近沒有作防護是非常危險的。照這張照片的人有沒有遭到輻射或燒傷？
問：我不知道。這些軍方的“ UFO ”從何而來？從美國嗎？
答：是的。我想一般是這樣。從（美國）大陸西部。
問：他們爲什麽密集地飛越歐洲人口密集區？這張照片是從比利時來的。沒道理啊。你能解釋麽？
答：爲什麽只由我來解釋人類的奇怪行爲呢？可能是長距測試或電磁僞裝系統測試吧。美國的老敵人在地球另一邊，所以他們爲什麽在這裡測試呢？在家他們有足够的時間讓他們的飛船來回穿梭。也許引起太多注意了。由於 那些不穩定的場結構之其一 —— 像你這張照片顯示的 —— 我認爲這艘 飛船有點不可能飛越大洋那樣的寬度。也許在你的土地上（指歐洲）有一個試驗站。遺憾的是，我並不知道。
問：許多讀者在看了第一篇談話後問到你和 E.F. 最先的接觸是怎麽發生的。我從你的叙述中已經瞭解了，不過你能否在這裡重新叙述一遍，好讓錄音記錄下來，我也記在筆記本上？
答：當然可以。故事發生在兩年前的瑞典。由於年輕，我對你們族類和行爲抱有强烈的興趣。那時候我已經盡可能研究了你們的文化（很自然地，在我家鄉不那麽容易得到人類的書籍，不過由於我所在的團組或家庭居於高位，我能够得以收集些材質，並有時候能和那些已經與你們做過接觸的同族交談）。我對你們族類的確十分好奇，當我被許可到地表來的時候，我嘗試馬上搜集更多訊息，不過首先對我來說，明確禁止著手於和人類直接接觸。那時由於出自我的地位，我沒必要這麽做。
那是在你們的 1998 年，我在通向我們世界的出入口附近、據此更向北偏遠的森林裡搜尋生物標本。這是我們用來觀察環境污染和動植物群被你們破 壞程度的方式。那時我已經在返回入口的路上了 —— 我們爲自己定位更容易（通過我們對地球磁場的感覺） —— 並且在一座大湖附近。
令我吃 驚的是碰到一間小木屋，我感受到裡面有一個人類的意識 / 知曉。他就是 E.F. 。實際上，我沒被許可和別族接觸，不過由於之前我以相同的方式，爲 此相當成功地在模仿能力中進行了適當的設置 —— 即便在你們更多的人 群中間（我還沒獨自一人的時候和一個人類遭遇過）。
如今就叫它基本的好奇吧。我想和小屋中的人說話，所以就敲了門。 E.F. 開了門，於是我們進行了一場有趣的對話。 那時候他的語言對我來說並不是普通話，不過當一個人能够從對方的意識 / 知曉中讀取訊息的時候，學習一門新語言就不那麽難了。我只告訴他我來自東面的一個國家。當然那會兒他沒“認出”我來，他完全確信是在和一個人類說話，儘管那只是個肖像模仿。
由於我的任務是用幾天時間調查這裡的地形，我就在這個時間範圍內以人形拜訪了他三次。最初我們只探討一些很普通的事物，後來介入了宗教和 物理話題。他似乎對我的知識印象深刻，而我同樣對他的清晰思路 —— 以 及作爲人類的個體結構和個人觀點留有深刻印象。你們真的很喜歡把大衆的觀點或訓練徹底給自己，例如“爬蟲族是邪惡的”之類。
我把話題導向這個方面， E.F. 言辭的大意是他相信外星族類的存在，而且他們不一定非得邪惡，也許只是和人類不同而已。讓我感到很高興。那會兒我當然無法向他具體講述我的知識，他不會相信我的，他會把我當成開玩笑的人。我用非常非常不同的（關於我們族類的）觀念，告訴他我真實的外表，那是我們第四次在小木屋見面的時候。
實際上，他是預定和我接觸的人：心智開闊、誠實、聰明、沒有宗教傾向或制約。他獨自隔絕地生活，要是出版他的故事，沒人會相信他。我敢於採取這步，不過我嚴重懷疑自己行爲的適當性，特別當他反映出非常… 非常暴烈的時候。
過段時間他控制住了自己，我們終於能够具體談論一些東西了。現在他沒有選擇，只能相信我。這是最初在小木屋中發生的一系列訪問的開端，不過後來到了他偏遠的住處。最終他把你帶來了… 正是由此你我才再次坐在這裡，談論到人類社會上可能沒人會相信的事。
問：你剛才說，你沒被許可和人類建立接觸。那麽你現在得沒得到許可向 E.F. 和我講述所有這些事，甚至把這些公開大衆化呢？
答：是的。很難解釋給你聽並讓你理解。讓我只說，我發現自己此刻處於安排這個許可的位置上，而不必考慮任何後果 （譯註：有點像 Wingmakers 訪談和古箭計劃中聶魯達的使命，呵呵，抑或是中央族類的安排？） 。在這個形勢下我對某些限制是半“免疫”的。就讓我們這麽看好了。那答案就爲“是的”。
問：如果其他人想和你們族類進行接觸，有沒有可能的機會呢？
答：一般來說不能。我們避免和你們進行接觸，如果相遇的話，也只在地表偏遠地區並且使用模仿技術。現在我和你對話，並不意味著我的同類也會效仿。也並不是說你們可以試著尋找到我們那裡的入口，看穿它們並得以進入。相反，那很快會對闖入者造成不愉快的後果。在地表你們幾乎沒機會認出我們，你們甚至不能直接聯繫我們，我們得聯繫你們，就像和 E.F. 那樣。那種接觸不是規則，而僅是很偶然罷了。
問：你能描述一下你們地下家園的位置嗎？
答：可以，但顯然不會告訴你確切所在地。我的家鄉在這裡向東、我們其中一個小型的地下殖民地裡。我會給你一些數字以便你可以留有更好的印象。稍等… 我正在試著將數值儘量準確地轉換到你們的單位。那是一個圓屋頂形的洞穴，據地表大約 4300 公尺。該洞穴於 3000 年前被設爲殖民地。
屋頂結構的主要部分是人工整體化的石塊，被重新改造成非常優美、對稱和扁平的穹廬，有卵形的平面圖。穹廬的直徑以你們的尺度大約是 2.5 公里。最高處爲 220 公尺 。在最高點之下的每個聚居區都矗立著一座特殊的、灰白色 的圓柱形建築 —— 一種支持穹頂蜂房結構的支撑柱。
這種建築是整個穹 廬中最高、最大、年代最長的，因爲它們是初次建設時爲了屋頂安全而設立的（其間當然需要多次的完善和修復）。這種建築有非常特殊的名字和宗教意義。我們只有其中一根，大聚居區會有更多根，那取决於屋頂的建設。
在亞洲內部的一個主要聚居區有 9 個這樣的支撑建築，但那樣的聚居地尺度有 25 公里 。中央建築通常是宗教中心，也是一個氣候控制中心，以及光源系統運轉和調校中心。在我們的所在地有 5 個巨大的人工光源發出紫外光，並且其溫暖穿透著重力資源。地表的通風管道和光系統也自然地穿越這些柱子，是被嚴格控制的。
順便說，在那裡我們有 3 個通風管道和 2 個電梯系統，甚至還有一個隧道通往下一個主聚居 地 —— 距 東南大約 500 公里 遠的地方。一部升降電梯導向地表附近的一處洞穴，另一部電梯導向我們其中一個飛船倉 庫 —— 你記得的，圓柱形飛船 —— 很自然地靠近一座山脈背後的地表隱藏著。一般情况下那裡只有三艘 —— 因 爲那是個小倉庫。
聚居地的其它建築，其大部分像同心的卵圓形一樣圍繞著主支撑柱建造，毫無例外地更加扁平，通常只有 3 -20 公尺高。建築的形狀是球形、像拱頂一般。其顔色出於所在的圓圈以及與主支撑柱之間的距離而不同。柱北端有一個額外的、非常巨大的却又很扁平的圓形建築。這個建築截斷了聚居地同心圓系統，它的直徑有 250 公尺，是人工太陽地帶，用作特別照亮走廊和住房。
非常强烈的紫外光掌控在這些位置，用來溫暖我們的血液。那裡還有一個醫療站和會議室。 在聚居地的外環有動物養殖區 —— 我們必須攝食肉類作爲食物 —— 還 有菜園，在那裡栽培食用植物和蘑菇。那裡還有來自地下的冷、熱流動水。動力站位於聚居地邊上。動力站以熔合作爲基礎來驅動，爲聚居地補給，並提供“陽光”的能量。
我所在的團體或“家庭”位於支撑柱外第四圈建築群裡。這麽短的時間說得够多了。給你描述所有的建築以及它們的功用有些太遠了。向你描述這類事物實在是困難，因爲那是完全不同的環境背景和文化；而你們已經習慣於自己在地表的生活了。你真是需要自己看看才能相信。
問：有一天我會看到嗎？
答：誰知道，也許吧。時間能够捎來新的機會。
問：這個聚居地有多少你們族類？
答：大約 900 個。
問：這是訪談的結束。你最後有什麽話想對讀者說嗎？
答：有。我對我話語帶來的許多評論感到極爲驚訝。我當然也失望於宗教肖像把我當作敵人描繪，已經被口口聲聲說出並深植入了你們心裡。你們應該試著爲自己設定遠離舊式訓練，不要接受宛若已經遠去 5000 年的某事或某人的控制。你們畢竟是，自由的靈魂。這就是我最後的話。
第二次交談內容結束

Lacerta File I

Originally taken from http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html .


Introduction

I certify that the following text is the absolute truth and no work of fiction.

These are parts of a transcript of an interview I've made with a non-human and reptilian being in December 1999.

This female being was already in contact with a friend of mine (whose name is given only with the abbreviation E.F. in the text) since some months.

Let me declare, that I was all my life a skeptic about UFOs, aliens and other weird things and I thought that E.F. told me just dreams or fictitious stories when he talked with me about his First Contacts with the non-human being "Lacerta".

I was still a skeptic when I met this being on December 16 last year in that small warm room in the remote house of my friend near to a town in the south of Sweden, despite the fact that I saw now with my own eyes that she was not human.

She has told and shown me so many unbelievable things during that meeting that I can't deny the reality and the truth of her words any longer.

This is not another of that wrong UFO papers which claim to tell the truth but tell in fact just fiction, I'm convinced that this transcript contains only the truth and therefore you should read it.

I had talked with her for over 3 hours, so the following transcript shows you only shortened parts of the interview, because she asked me after the interview not to publish everything she had already told me now.

The order of the questions in this transcript is not always the same order in which I had asked them, so it may seem sometimes a little bit confusing to you.

It was not easy to delete all the important parts she had asked me to delete from the transcript, so I apologize for the maybe unusual order.

I'm in the possession of the entire transcript of the interview (49 pages with some of my drawings of her body and her equipment) and also of some tapes on which I have the full interview, but I will not reveal this before I have permission from her.

I will send this shortened form of the still fascinating document to four of my reliable friends to Finland, Norway, Germany and France and I hope they will translate it into their own languages and into other languages and I hope as many people as possible will be able to read and to understand the transcript.

If you receive it, please send it to all your friends via e-mail or make print-outs and copy them.



I certify furthermore, that various "paranormal" abilities of her species like telepathy and telekinesis (including the moving and dancing of my pencil on the table without touching and the flying of an apple around 40 centimeters over her hands) were shown to me during the 3 hours and 6 minutes of the meeting and I'm absolutely sure that these abilities were no tricks.

The following is certainly difficult to understand and to believe for someone who hasn't experienced it, but I was really in contact with her mind and I'm now completely sure that everything she said during the interview is the absolute truth about our world.



Unfortunately, if I read the entire transcript and (much more) this very shortened form by myself I have the strong impression, that everything I've written sounds too unbelievable to be true, that everything sounds more like a bad science fiction story from TV or cinema and I have doubts that anyone will believe my experiences.

But they are true, if you believe it or not. I can't expect from you that you believe my simple words without evidence, but I can't give you that evidence. Please read the transcript and think about it and you will maybe see the truth in these words.

There will be a new meeting between me and her (again in the same house in Sweden) on April 23 2000 and she promised me to give me maybe some evidence for her existence.

In the meantime I collect questions which I will ask her then. Maybe she gives me permission to reveal more of the missing parts in that transcript and about the coming war.

Believe it or not, this makes no real difference (but I hope you will believe.) Ole K.



Transcript of Interview I (Shortened Version)



December 16, 1999



Question: First of all, who are you and what are you? Are you an extraterrestrial species or can your origin be found on this planet?

Answer: As you could see with your own eyes, I'm not a human being like you and to be honest I'm no real mammal (despite my partly mammal-like body features, which are a result of evolution.) I'm a female reptile being, belonging to a very old reptilian race.

We are the native terrans and we have lived on this planet for millions of years. We are mentioned in your religious writings like your Christian Bible and many of the ancient human tribes were aware of our presence and worshipped us as gods, for example the Egyptians and the Inca and many other old tribes.

Your Christian religion has misunderstood our role in your creation, so we are mentioned as "evil serpent" in your writings.

This is wrong.

Your race was genetically engineered by aliens and we were just the more or less passive visitors of this accelerated evolution process.

You must know (some of your scientists have already supposed this) that your species had evolved in a naturally completely impossible speed within just 2 - 3 millions of years.

This is absolutely impossible, because evolution is a much slower process if it's natural but you have not understood this.

Your creation was artificial and done by genetic engineering, but not by us but by an alien species. If you ask me, if I'm an extraterrestrial, I must answer no.

We are native terrans. We had and have some colonies in the solar system, but we originate on this planet. It's in fact our planet and not yours - it was never yours.





Question: Can you tell me your name?

Answer: This is difficult, because your human tongue is not able to pronounce it correctly (and a mispronunciation of our names is very offensive for some of my kind.)

Our language is very different from yours, but my name is —I will try to say it smoother by use of your human letters — something like "Sssshiaassshakkkasskkhhhshhh" with a very, very strong pronunciation of the "sh" and "k" sounds.

We have no forenames like you but only a single but unique name which is divided and characterized by the way of speaking and which is given not to children (who have an own children-name) but only in a special procedure in the adolescent age at the time of either religious or scientific "enlightenment" or awareness (as you would call it.) I would appreciate it if you don't try to say my real name with your human tongue.

Please call me "Lacerta", this is the name I generally use when I'm among humans and talk with them.





Question: How old are you?

Answer: We measure the time not like you in astronomical years and in the revolving of the earth around sun, because we usually live beneath the surface of the planet.

Our time measurement depends on periodically returning cycles in the earth magnetic field and according to this (and said with your numbers) I'm today —let me calculate— 57,653 cycles old.

I have reached my adult phase and my awareness 16,337 cycles ago (this is a very important date for us.) According to your human time scale I'm around 28 years old.





Question: What is your task? Do you have a "job" like us?

Answer: To say it with your words: I'm a curious student of the social behavior of your species. That's why I'm here and talk to you, that's why I have revealed my real nature to E.F. and now to you and that's why I give you all that secret information and why I will try to answer all the questions on your many sheets of paper honestly.

I will see how you react, how others of your kind react.

There are so many crazies and liars of your kind on this planet who claim to know the truth about us, about UFOs, about aliens and so on and some of you believe their lies.

I'm interested to see how your species will react if you make the truth (which I will tell you now) public.

I'm quite sure everyone of you will refuse to believe my words, but I hope I'm wrong, because you need to understand if you want to survive the coming years.





Question: I've read your full statement (which you have given to E.F.) about this, but can you give me now just a short answer: are UFOs real flying objects piloted by extraterrestrials or do they belong to your species?

Answer: Some observed UFOs - as you call them - belong to us, but most not.

Most of the "mysterious" flying objects in the sky are not technological devices but mainly misinterpretations of natural phenomena your scientists have not understood (like spontaneous plasma flares in the high atmosphere.)

Nevertheless, some UFOs are real craft belonging either to your own species (especially to your military) or to other alien species or at last to us (but a minority of sighted craft belongs really to us, because we are generally very careful with our movements in the atmosphere and we have special ways to hide our ships.)

If you read a report about a sighting of a metallic bright-gray cigar-shaped cylindrical object with a length of — there are different types— let me say between 20 and 260 of your meters and if this object had made a very deep humming sound and if there were 5 bright red lights on the metallic surface of the cigar (one at the top, one in the middle, two at the end) then it's likely that someone of you has seen one of our ships and this means that it was either partly defective or that someone of us was not careful enough.

We have also a very small fleet of disc-shaped craft, but such UFOs belong usually to an alien species. Triangular UFOs belong generally to your own military but they use foreign technology to build them.

If you really want to try to see one of our craft, you should have a look at the skies over the Arctic, the Antarctic and over Inner Asia (especially over the mountains there.)





Question: Have you a special symbol or something like that with which we can identify your kind?

Answer: We have two major symbols representing our species.

One (the more ancient) symbol is a blue serpent with four white wings on a black background (the colors have religious meanings for us.) This symbol was used from certain parts of my society, but it is today very seldom —you humans have copied it very often in your old writings.

The other symbol is a mystic being you would call a "Dragon" in the shape of a circle with seven white stars in the middle. This symbol is much more common today.

If you see one of that symbols on a cylindrical craft I've described in my previous answer or on some underground installation, this thing or place belongs definitely to us (and I would advise you to go away from there as soon as possible.)





Question: The seven stars in the second symbol you've mentioned, do they mean the Pleiades?

Answer: Pleiades? No. Actually, the seven stars are planets and moons and they are a symbol for our former seven colonies in the solar system.

The stars are shown in front of a blue background and the dragon-circle means the shape of Earth.

The seven white stars mean Moon, Mars, Venus and 4 moons of Jupiter and Saturn, we had colonized in the past.

Two colonies are no longer in use and abandoned, so 5 stars would be more correct.





Question: As you have not allowed me to make photos —what would be very useful to prove your real existence and the truth of this story— can you describe yourself detailed?

Answer: I know that it would be helpful to prove the authenticity of this interview if you can make some photos from me. Otherwise, you humans are very skeptical (that's good for us and for the real alien species acting secretly on this planet) so even if you had such photos, many of your kind would say that they are fraud, that I'm just a masked human woman or something like that (that would be very offensive for me.)

You must understand that I can't give you permission to make photos of me or of my equipment.

There are various reasons, which I want not to discuss with you further, but one of the reasons is the keeping up of the secrecy of our existence, another reason is more religious.

Nevertheless, you have permission to make drawings of my look and of my equipment I can show you later.

I can also try to describe myself, but I doubt that others of your kind will be able to imagine my real looks just from simple words, because the automatic denial of the existence of reptilian species and generally of intelligent species other than your own is part of the programming of your mind. Well, I will try.

Imagine the body of a normal human woman and you have at first a good imagination of my body.

Like you, I have a head, two arms, two hands, two legs and two feet and the proportions of my body are like yours.

As I'm female I have also two breasts (despite our reptile origin, we have started to give milk to our babies during the evolution process —this happened around 30 million years ago— because this is the best thing to keep the young alive.

Evolution had done this for your species already in the dinosaur age and —a little bit later— also for ours. That means not that we are now real mammals) but our breasts are not as large as those of human woman and the size of them is generally equal for every female of my kind.

The external reproduction organs are for both sexes smaller than those of humans, but they are visible and they have the same function as yours (another gift of evolution to our species.)

My skin is mainly of a green-beige colour - more pale green - and we have some patterns of brown irregular dots (each dot of the size of 1 - 2 centimeters) on our skin and on our face (the patterns are different for both sexes but females have more, especially on the lower body and on the face.)

You can see them in my case as two lines over the eyebrows crossing my forehead, at my cheek and at my chin.

My eyes are a little bit larger than human eyes (for this reason, we can see better in the darkness) and usually dominated by large black pupils, which are surrounded by a small bright- green iris (males have a dark-green iris).

The pupil is slit and can change its size from a small black line to a wide-open egg-shaped oval, because our retina is very light sensitive and the pupil must compensate this.

We have external round ears but they are smaller and not so curved as yours, but we can hear better because our ears are more sensitive to sound (we can also hear a wider range of sounds).

There's a muscle or "lid" over the ears which can completely close them (for example under water).

Our nose is more pointed and there is a V-shaped curving between the nostrils, which enabled the ancestors to "see" temperature.

We have lost most of this ability, but we can still feel temperature much better with this "organ".

Our lips are shaped like yours (those of females a little bit larger than those of males) but of a pale brown colour and our teeth are very white and strong and a little bit longer and sharper than your soft mammal teeth. We have no different hair colors like you (but there is a tradition to colour the hairs in different ages) and the original colour is —like mine— a greenish brown.

Our hairs are thicker and stronger than yours and they grow very slowly. In addition, the head is the only part of our body where we have hairs.

Our body, arms and legs are similar in shape and size to yours, but the color is different (green-beige, like the face) and there are scale-like structures on the upper legs (over the knee) and upper arms (over the elbow).

Our five fingers are a little bit longer and thinner than human fingers and our skin on the palm is plain, so we have no lines like you but again a combination of a scale-like skin structure and of the brown dots (both sexes have the dots on the palm) and we have no fingerprints like you.

If you touch my skin, you will feel that it is smoother than your hairy skin.

There are small sharp horns on the upside of both middle fingers.

The fingernails are grey and generally longer than yours.

You see that my nails are not so long and round at the top. This is because I'm female.

Males have sharp pointed nails with a length of sometimes 5 or 6 of your centimeters.

The following feature is very different from your body and part of our reptilian origin: if you touch the backside of my upper body you will feel a hard bony line through my clothing.

This is not my spine but a very difficult shaped external plate- structure of skin and tissue following exactly our spine from the head to the hip.

There is an extremely high number of nerves and large blood vessels in this structure and in the plates (which are around two or three centimeters long and very touch sensitive - this is the reason why we have always problems to sit in chairs with a back like this chair.)

The main task of these small plates (beside a role in our sexuality) is simply the regulation of our body temperature and if we sit in natural or artificial sunlight, these plates become more blood-filled and the vessels become wider and the sun is able to heat up our reptoid blood (which circulates through the body and through the plates) for many degrees and that gives us a great pleasure.

What else is different from your kind?

Oh, we have no navel, because we were born in a different way to your mammal birth. The other exterior differences from your kind are minor and I think I must not mention all now, because most of them are not visible if we wear clothing. I hope the description of my body was detailed enough. I would advise you to make some drawings.





Question: What kind of clothing do you generally wear? I suppose this is not the way you dress normally?

Answer: No, I wear this human every-day-clothing only when I'm among humans. To be honest, it's not very comfortable for me to wear such tight things and it is always a very unusual feeling.

If we are in our own home (this means in our subterranean home) or in our large artificial sun areas and if we are together with others near to our own name, we are usually naked.

Is this shocking for you?

When we are in the public and together with many others of my species we wear very wide and soft clothing made of thin, light stuff.

I have told you that many parts of our bodies are very touch sensitive, mostly the small back plates so we can't feel comfortable in tight clothing because it can hurt us. Man and woman wear often the same kind of clothing, but the colors are different for the sexes.





Question: You've said "others near to your own name". Do you mean your family?

Answer: No, not really.

You would call it "family" but with this word you mean only those of your kind which belong genetically together like father or mother and child.

As I have said earlier we have a very difficult and unique name.

Part of the pronunciation of that name is absolute unique and there is no other being with the same name, but part of this name (the middle part) is pronounced in a way that told the others to which "family" (I must use the word, because you haven't the right one in your vocabulary) you belong.

This means not that all in that group are genetically related to you, because these groups are usually very large and contain between 40 and 70 of us.

This group includes generally your genetic relations -except one of them had decided to leave this group - and your connection with father and mother is often the strongest.

It would be too difficult for me to explain you now our very old social system which is very complex and we would need many hours only for the primary things.

Maybe we can meet another time and I can give you detailed descriptions of all these things.





Question: Have you a tail like normal reptiles?

Answer: Do you see one? No, we have no visible tail.

If you look at our skeleton, there is only a small rounded bone at the end of our spine behind the pelvis.

This is a useless rudiment of the tail of our ancestors, but it is not visible from the outside.

Oh, our embryos have tails during the first months of development, but these tails disappear before they were born.

A tail makes only sense for a primitive species which tries to walk on two legs and must held the balance with the tail, but our skeleton had changed during evolution and our spine is nearly in the same shape as yours, so we need no tail to stay on two feet.





Question: You said that you were born in a different way to us. Do you lay eggs?

Answer: Yes, but not like your birds or primitive reptiles.

Actually, the embryo grows in a protein liquid inside the mother's womb, but there is also an egg-shaped but very thin chalk hull around it, that fills the whole womb.

The embryo inside this hull is completely independent from the mother's body and it has every substance it needs to develop inside this chalk hull.

There is also a cord like your navel cord which is connected to a point hidden behind the back plates.

When the baby is going to be born, the whole egg is pressed through the vagina covered in a slimy protein substance and the baby came out of this soft egg after some minutes.

These two horns on our middle fingers were instinctively used from babies to break through the chalk hull to take their first breath.

Our young are not so large as your babies when they were born, they are between 30 and 35 of your centimeters tall, the egg is around 40 centimeters tall (this is because our vagina is smaller than a human one) but we grow to a normal size of 1,60 to 1,80 meters.





Question: What about your body temperature? You've said that you enjoy lying in the sun. What effect has this to your organism?

Answer: We are not mammals and as reptiles our body temperature depends on the temperature of our surrounding.

If you touch my hand you will maybe feel that it is colder than yours, because our normal body temperature is around 30 to 33 degree Celsius.

If we sit in the sun (especially naked and with our row of small back plates in the sun) our body temperature can rise for 8 or 9 degrees within minutes.

This rise causes a production of many enzymes and hormones in our body, our heart and brain and every organ becomes more active and we feel than very, very good.

You humans only enjoy being in the sun but for us it is the greatest pleasure you can imagine (maybe like your sexual excitement.)

We also enjoy swimming in very warm water or other liquids to rise our body temperature. If we are for some hours in the shadow, our temperature goes back to 30 to 33 degrees.

This can cause no harm to us, but we feel much better in the sun. We have artificial sun-rooms in the underground but this is not the same for us like the real sun.



Question: What do you eat?

Answer: Generally various things like you: flesh, fruit, vegetables, special kinds of fungus (from subterranean farms) and other things.

We can also eat and digest some substances which are poisonous for you. The main difference between you and us is that we must eat flesh, because our body needs the proteins.

We can't live completely vegetarian like your kind because our digestion would stop working and we would die after some weeks or maybe months without flesh.

Many of us eat raw flesh or other things which would be disgusting for you. Personally, I prefer cooked flesh and surface fruits like apples or oranges.





Question: Can you tell me something about the natural history and evolution of your species? How old is your species? Have you evolved from primitive reptiles as mankind has evolved from apes?

Answer: Oh, this is a very long and complex story and it sounds certainly unbelievable to you, but it's the truth.

I will try to explain it in short.

Around 65 million years ago, many of our less advanced ancestors from the dinosaur race died in a great global cataclysm.

The reason for this destruction was not a natural disaster - an asteroid impact as your scientists believe falsely - but a war between two enemy alien groups that took mainly place in the orbit and high atmosphere of your planet.

According to our limited knowledge about the early days this global war was the first alien war on planet earth but it was definitely not the last (and a future war is coming soon, while a "cold war" - as you call it -between alien groups is ongoing since the last 73 years on your planet.)

The opponents in this 65 million year old war were two advanced alien species, whose both names are again not pronounceable for your tongues. I'm able to say them but it would hurt your ear if I tell you the names in their original way.

One race was humanoid like your species (but much older) and was from this universe, from a solar system in the star constellation you call "Procyon" today in your maps.

The other species - about which we know not so much - was a reptilian species, but they have nothing to do with our own species, because we have evolved from local saurians without exterior influence (except the successful manipulation of our own genes by us. More about that later.)

The advanced reptilian species came not from this universe but from a - well, how should I explain it to you.

Your scientists have not really understood the true nature of the universe, because your illogical mind is not able to see the easiest things and relies on wrong mathematics and numbers.

This is part of the genetic programming of your kind to which I will come later.

Let me say, that you are nearly as far away from the understanding of the universe as you were 500 years ago.

To use a term you will maybe understand: the other species came not from this universe but from another "bubble" in the foam of the Omniverse.

You would call it maybe another dimension, but this is not the right word to describe it correctly (by the way, the term dimension is generally wrong in the way you understand it.)

The fact you should remember is, that advanced species are able to "walk" between bubbles by use of - as you would call it - quantum technology and sometimes in special ways only by use of their mind (my own species had also advanced mental abilities in comparison to your species, but we are not able to do the matter-string/bubble changing without technology, but other species active on this planet are able and this looks to you like magic as it had to your ancestors.)

Back to our own history: the first species (the humanoids) had reached Earth around 150 years before the reptilians and they built some colonies on the former continents.

There was a large colony on the continent you call "Antarctica" today and another one in the continent you call "Asia" today.

These people lived together with animal-like saurians on the planet without problems.

When the advanced reptilian species arrived in this system, the humanoid colonists from "Procyon" tried to communicate peacefully, but they were not successful and a global war started within months.

You must understand that both species were interested in this young planet not for his biology and undeveloped species, but for only one reason: raw material, especially copper.

To understand this reason, you must know that copper is a very important material for some advanced species (even today) because it is - together with some unstable materials - able to produce new stable elements if you induce a high electromagnetic field in the right angle with a high nuclear radiation field to produce an over-crossing of fluctuating fields.

The fusion of copper with other elements in such a magnetic/radiation field- chamber can produce a force field of special nature that is very useful for various technological tasks (but the base for this is an extremely complex formula you are not able to discover because of the restrictions of your simple mind.)

Both species wanted to have the copper of Planet Earth and for this reason they fought a not very long war in space and orbit.

The humanoid species seemed to be successful during the first time, but in a last battle the reptilians decided to use a mighty experimental weapon - a special kind of fusion bomb which should destroy the life forms on the planet but should not harm the valuable raw materials and the copper.

The bomb was fired from space and detonated at a point of your planet you call "Middle America" today.

As it detonated in the ocean, it produced an unpredictable fusion with hydrogen and the effect was much stronger than the reptilians had expected.

A deadly radiation, an over-production of fusion-oxygen, a fall-out of different elements and a "nuclear winter" for nearly 200 years were the result.

Most of the humanoids were killed and the reptilians lost their interest on the planet after some years for (even for us) unknown reasons - maybe because of the radiation.

Planet Earth was on its own again and the animals on the surface died.

By the way, one result of the fusion bomb was the fall-out of different elements and materials created in the burning process and one of those materials was Iridium.

Your human scientists today see the Iridium concentration in the ground as an evidence for an asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. That is not true, but how should you know that?

Well, most of the dinosaurs died (not all in the detonation but in the bad things which came after the war, especially in the nuclear winter and in the fall-out.) Nearly all dinosaurs and reptilians were dead within the next 20 years.

Some of them —especially those in the oceans— were able to survive for the next 200 to 300 years even in this changed world, but these species also died, because the climate had changed.

The nuclear winter ended after 200 years, but it was colder on earth than before. Despite the cataclysm, some species were able to survive: fish (like the sharks), birds, little creepy mammals (your ancestors), various reptiles like crocodiles... and there was a special kind of small but advanced dinosaurs which had developed together with the last large animal-reptilians like the species you call Tyrannosaurus.

This new reptile was walking on two legs and looked at little bit like your reconstruction of an Iguanodon (it originated in this family) but it was smaller (around 1.50 meters tall) with some humanoid features, a changed bone structure, a larger skull and brain, a hand with a thumb which was able to grab things, a different organism and digestion, advanced eyes in the middle of the head like your eyes and most important...with a new and better brain structure.

This was our direct ancestor. There are theories that the radiation from the bomb took part in the mutations of the organism of this new breed, but this is not proven.

Nevertheless, this little humanoid-like dinosaur evolved during the following 30 million years (as I have said earlier, a species need generally more time to evolve than you think, if the evolution is not artificially induced like in your case) from an animal to a more or less thinking being.

These beings were intelligent enough not to die in the next millions of years, because they learned to change their behavior, they lived in caves instead in the cold nature and they learned to use stones and branches as first tools and the use of fire as help to warm them - especially to warm their blood which is very important for our kind to survive.

During the next 20 million years this species was divided by nature into 27 sub-species (unfortunately, former reptilian species were prone to divide themselves in a more or less illogical way into sub-species during the evolution process. You can clearly see this in the unnecessary high number of animal-dinosaur species in earlier times) and there were many (mainly primitive) wars between this sub-species for dominance.

Well, nature was not very friendly to us and as far a we know from the 27 sub-species 24 were extinct in primitive wars and in evolution, because their organism and mind was not developed enough to survive and (as main reason) they were not able to change their blood temperature in the right way if the climate changed. 50 million years after the war and after the end of Dinosaurs, only three (now also technological) advanced reptilian species were remaining on this planet together with all the other lower animals.

Through natural and artificial crossbreeding these three species were united to one reptilian species and through the invention of genetic manipulations, we were able to "eliminate" the dividing-prone genes in our genetic structure.

According to our history and belief, this was the time when our final reptilian race - as you see me today - was created by use of genetic engineering.

This was around 10 million years ago and our evolution nearly stopped at this point (well, actually there were some minor changes in our look toward a more humanoid and mammal-like appearance during the coming ages, but we have not divided again into sub-species).

You see, we are a very old race in comparison to your kind, which was jumping around as small monkey-like animals in the trees at this time while we invented technology, colonized other planets of this system, built large cities on this planet (which disappeared without a trace in the ages) and engineered our own genes while your genes where still those of animals.

10 million years ago the small simians started to grow and they came down from the trees to the ground (again because of the change of the climate - especially on the so-called African continent.) But they evolved very slow as it is normal for a mammal and if nothing extraordinary had happened to your kind, we wouldn't be able to sit here and talk because I would sit in my comfortable modern house and you would sit in your cave clothed with fur and trying to discover the secrets of fire - or you would maybe sit in one of our zoos.

But the things had developed differently and you believe now you are the "crown of creation" and you can sit in the modern house and we must hide and live beneath the earth and in remote areas.

Around 1,5 million years ago, another alien species arrived at Earth (it was surprisingly the first species since over 60 million years. This would be more surprising for you if you would know how many different species are today here.) The interest of this humanoid species - you call them "Illojim" today - was not the raw material and the copper, it was to our astonishment the unadvanced ape-humanoids. Despite of our presence on this planet, the aliens decided to "help" the apes to evolve a little bit faster, to serve them in the future as some kind of slave-race in coming wars.

The fate of your species was not really important for us, but we didn't like the presence of the "Illojim" on our planet and they didn't liked our presence on their new "galactic zoo" planet and so your sixth and seventh creation was the reason for a war between us and them.

You can read about that war for example partly in the book you call "Bible" in a very strange way of description. The real truth is a very long and difficult story. Should I continue?





Question: No, not now. I've made some notes about your history and now I have some questions.

Answer: Please ask.





Question: First of all, you deal with a very large time scale. You claim that your primitive ancestors lived together with the dinosaurs, survived the - as you called it - artificial cataclysm and evolved then over 40 million years and your evolution was completed 10 million years ago. This sounds very unbelievable to me. Can you say something to this?

Answer: I understand that this must sound absolutely unbelievable to you, because you are a young and genetically engineered species.

Your historical horizon ends at a scale of just some thousands of years and you think this is right. But it isn't. This is impossible.

Your programmed mind is obviously not able to handle with such large time scales. Our evolution time may seem incredibly long to you, but this is in fact the original way of nature.

Remember, your early mammal ancestors developed together with dinosaurs and they survived the bomb like us.

They evolved slowly during the next millions of years and they divided into various species and shapes, some of them larger, some of them smaller. This is evolution of the body.

But what about their mind and intelligence? They were simple animals.

The mammals evolved since —let us say— 150 millions of years, but only in the last 2 - 3 millions of years they were able to became intelligent and thinking. And within this small period beings like you were created. From nature?

148 millions of year's time for the evolution of animal-like mammals, 2 millions of year's time for the development of (more or less) intelligent beings like you?

Ask yourself: Do you really think this accelerated evolution is natural? Then your species is more ignorant than I've thought. We have not evolved wrong but you.





Question: I understand. But I have another question. You've mentioned many facts about the ancient war between the aliens 65 million years ago. This happened very long before your kind became really intelligent (as far as I have understood you). Why do you know so many things about that "first war" and about the evolution of your species?

Answer: This is a good question (much better than the previous) and I have not explained it properly to you.

Our knowledge about the first war comes completely from an ancient artifact, which was found around 16,000 years ago from our archeologists on the continent you call North America today.

They found there a round plate with a diameter of approximately 47 of your centimeters. The plate was made of an even for us unknown magnetic material and inside the plate there was another smaller crystal plate which contained an enormous amount of information coded in the molecular structure of the crystal.

This "memory plate" was manufactured from the last bomb survivors of human race from "Procyon" already 65 million years ago but it was completely intact when we found it.

Our scientists were able to encode the messages and data and so we heard the first time about the events which took place in the distant past and which led to the extinction of the dinosaurs.

The plate contained detailed descriptions of both species (but more about the humanoids) and about the events and weapons, including the fusion bomb.

It contained also a description of the animals and saurians on earth, including our pre-intelligent ancestor species. The rest of our knowledge about our evolution comes from skeletons and from the back-reading and de/encoding of our DNA.

You see, we know the real truth about our roots since 16,000 years. Before that time, there was a more religious idea of our creation.





Question: What has happened to both the alien species?

Answer: We don't know exactly. The surviving humanoids on earth obviously died in the years after the bomb and others of their kind and the reptilians never came back to Earth (as far as we know).

Concerning the reptilian aliens, there is a possibility that it was physically impossible for them to return, because the matter between bubbles is sometimes in rapid movement.

The current theory is, that both species had ceased to exist during the millions of years.





Question: You've mentioned skeletons of your kind. How can it be, that human scientists haven't found any trace of you and your ancestors if you really live for such a long time on this planet? We have found many skeletons of primitive dinosaurs, but none of an advanced reptilian being with a larger skull and brain and a hand with a thumb as you have described it before.

Answer: Yes, you have. But your "great" scientists were not able to reconstruct the skeletons completely, because they wanted to reconstruct reptilian animals, not intelligent beings.

You would laugh if you would know how many of the (especially small) saurian skeletons in your museums are totally wrong constructions of never-existing beings, because you used many bones which didn't really belong together and sometimes you made artificial bones if something was missing you needed to construct an "animal" saurian.

Many of your scientists are aware of this problem, but they don't make it public, because they can't explain it and they claim, that the right bones were just missing and their reconstruction is right.

Many bones of us were used for Iguanodon reconstructions, for example the hands with the visible thumb (look at an Iguanodon in a museum and you will see that I'm right.)

A scientist in the country you call United States had built a nearly correct skeleton of our kind some years ago, but the local government (which is partly aware of our existence) confiscated the reconstruction.

As we live today (and since thousands of years) nearly completely beneath the earth, you will not find any cadavers or skeletons of us.





Question: You speak sometimes about underground cities and artificial sunlight. Do you mean something like a "hollow Earth" with this? Is there a second sun inside our planet?

Answer: No, Earth is not really completely hollow and there is no second sun inside. This story is ridiculous and physically not possible (even your species should be intelligent enough not to believe this.)

Do you know how much mass a sun must have to produce energy and light for a longer time by fusion?

Do you really think that there could be a small active sun inside the planet?

When I talk about our subterranean home, I talk about large cave systems.

The caves you have discovered near to the surface are tiny in comparison to real caves and huge caverns deeper in the earth (in a depth of 2,000 to 8,000 of your meters, but connected with many hidden tunnels to the surface or to surface-near caves) and we live in large and advanced cities and colonies inside such caves.

Major sites of us are beyond the Arctic, the Antarctic, Inner Asia, North America and Australia.

If I talk about artificial sunlight in our cities I don't mean a real sun but various technological sources of light (including gravitational sources) which illuminates the caverns and tunnels. There are special cave areas and tunnels with a strong UV light in every city and we use those places to heat our blood.

Furthermore, we have also some surface sun places in remote areas, especially in America and Australia.





Question: Where can we find such a surface-near entry to your world?

Answer: Do you really think I will tell you their exact location? If you want to find such an entry, you have to search it by yourself (but I would advise you not to do that.) 、

When I came to the surface four days ago, I used an entry approximately 300 of your kilometers north from here near to a large lake, but I doubt that you would be able to find it (there are only a few entries in this part of the world - more are far more north and east.)

As a little advice: if you are in a narrow cave or in a tunnel or even in something that looks to you like an artificial mine shaft and as deeper you walk as smoother appear the walls and if you feel unusual warm air streaming from the depth or if you hear the rushing sound of streaming air in a ventilation or elevator shaft, then look for a special kind of artificial and smooth wall somewhere in the cave with a door made of gray metal.

If you would be able to open that door (but I doubt this) you would be in a usually round technical room with ventilation systems and elevators to the depth.

This is probably an entry to our world. If you have reached this point, you should know that we are now definitely aware of your presence.

You are already in big trouble if you have entered the round room, but you should look for one of the two reptilian symbols on the walls.

If there are no symbols or other symbols, you are maybe in bigger trouble than you think, because not every underground installation belongs to our kind.

Some new tunnel systems are operated from alien races (including hostile races). My general advice for you, if you find yourself in a strange underground installation: run away as fast as you can.





Question: You mentioned earlier that you use the name "Lacerta" when you are among humans and that you enjoy it to be in the real sun on the surface of earth. But how can you be among humans? You don't look like us, so anyone will see that you belong to another species. Why has nobody seen and described a being like you if your kind lives already since our "creation" together with us on the same planet. Can you explain that to me?

Answer: First, my kind was of course seen and described (and worshipped) many times in your primitive past, for example in your religious writings like your Christian Bible.

You can find descriptions and even simple drawings of us for also in the southern part of the American continent on various temples.

So-called "wise" men from India and from the Asian mountains have described our species many times in writings, together with other "wise" men from the African continent.

I think we are the most mentioned non-human species (maybe beside the "Illojim") in your history.

If you don't believe me, have a look at your history and you will see the truth in my words.

Your "great" scientists called the belief in us "superstition" and "religion" and today's "intelligent" humans have forgotten our presence on the surface in the past.

Furthermore, our species is seen, even today sometimes, by human witnesses in our original shape on earth or in our near-surface entries and tunnel systems, but fortunately you and your media didn't take the reports of such "crazies" seriously (that's good for us and that's the reason why we allow those people to see us as we really are.)

Some of my species are also in direct contact with human scientists and politicians from the surface, but this is top-secret —as you would call it— and nobody of your public knows anything about it (the matter of these meetings is generally the upcoming war with and between the alien species and our assistance in this war). But there is also another explanation, why we can walk among you and why you are not able to recognize us: mimicry.

The following may again sound unbelievable and even shocking to you, but as you have asked I will explain it.

I have told you before, that we have more advanced mental abilities than your species and with "more advanced" I mean, that we are able to use telepathy and telekinesis from our birth on (in fact, mother and new-born child communicate generally with telepathy during the first months) without special training as you need it to activate these sleeping parts of your brain.

The structure of our brain is a little bit different to yours and our imagination is larger and more active than yours - especially when we are in sunlight.

Our own abilities are very strong in comparison to yours, but weak in comparison to the "matter-string/bubble" mind forces of some of the alien species on this planet. I was never very good in those mind things, but we all have these primary abilities and can use them, for example, for our protection or even for attack.

When we are on the surface and we meet human beings (even a large group of them - this makes no difference, all of your minds are like one mind) we are able to "touch" their mind and induce them via telepathy the command "See us as one of your kind" and the weak human mind will accept this order without re-fusion and they will see us (despite our reptilian look) as normal humans.

I've done this many times and you weak humans generally see me as an attractive brown-haired woman, because I have created this special "mimicry image" in my mind years ago and I can induce it into your minds without problems.

I've needed some time at the beginning to learn the use of the mimicry correctly, but then it worked nearly automatically and I can even walk among a group of yours and nobody will recognize what I am.

There is a simple switch ("See us as we really are / See us as we want you to see us") in your consciousness which was placed there from the "Illojim" when they created your kind and we can use this switch to convince you that you see humans when you look at us (other aliens use this switch, too).

It is easier than you think.

When there are meetings between your kind and aliens which seem to look exactly like yours, these aliens have used that switch and some of the meetings with manlike aliens can be also explained with meetings with my kind.) When I met E.F. the first time, he saw me also as a normal human woman and I remember that he was very frightened and shocked when I revealed him my real appearance.





Question: Do you mean, that you can really make me believe that I talk now with an attractive brown-haired human woman instead of a reptilian being like you?

Answer: Probably, but I don't think so in your special case. When someone expects to see a human woman instead of me, I can do it without problems with his mind (even with large groups) because nobody expects to see a reptile woman.

But I have allowed your mind to see me in my original appearance from our first meeting on and I have never induced something into your mind, so you have already realized that I'm not human.

If I would now try to change this, it would probably lead to an absolute confusion or to unconsciousness and I don't want to harm you. As I have said I'm not very good in these things.





Question: That's very scary. Can you kill with those abilities?

Answer: Yes, but it's forbidden. This means not that it was not done in previous times.





Question: Have both sexes these abilities?

Answer: Yes.





Question: What about photos? How do you appear on photos?

Answer: This is a silly question. I appear on photos as a reptile being, because I can't have influence on the photo or on the camera itself but only on the photographers mind.

If he or she would develop the film and show the photo to others, they would see me in my original shape.

That's the reason why it is forbidden for our kind to be filmed or photographed and we must avoid every camera on the surface (that is very difficult and we were filmed sometimes in the past without our knowledge, especially from certain of your governments and secret agencies.)





Question: What other commands can your kind induce into our minds? Something like "Serve us" or "Obey"?

Answer: This is again a strange question.

We are not your enemy (most of us are not) so why should we do this? To answer your question: it depends on the strength of the human mind and on the strength of the sending reptilian.

There is no "Serve us" or "Serve me" switch in your mind, so such a command is much more difficult to induce.

If the human mind and consciousness is weak and the reptilian inducer is experienced in these things and was some hours in the sun before he or she tries to do it, then it could probably work for a certain time.

There are secret teachings about such things, but I've never learned anything about it.

I use my primary abilities for mimicry and for communication with my own kind and sometimes for other private things, but I've never used it to harm humans or their mind. I would appreciate it if we can end with this topic here.





Question: A last question: you've said earlier, that you can hide your UFOs? Do you use the same abilities to do this?

Answer: Yes, but on a technical base.

There is a powerful device inside each craft which is able to send an artificial signal to your minds to convince you, that you see either nothing, but only the sky or that you see normal aircraft like planes instead of our ships.

This isn't used very often, because we avoid human public when we move in the atmosphere.

If you are able to see our "UFOs" it means that the device is either defective or deactivated for some reason.

The camouflage effect didn't work on photos - to answer this possible question of you already in advance - but why should someone make a photo of the sky when he could not see anything unusual there.

By the way, most of the near-surface entry points to our tunnels are also hidden with such a device and your kind will generally see only normal cave walls instead of the door. That's one reason why I've said that I doubt that you will be able to find such a secret door to our world (but it has happened a few times in the past.)





Question: Back to your and our own history. You've mentioned the race of the "Illojim" who have created our human race. From where did they come and how did they look like? What had exactly happened when they arrived? Are they our "God"?

Answer: The "Illojim" came from this universe, from the solar system you call "Aldebaran" in your maps.

They were a very tall humanoid species with usually blonde hairs and a very white skin (they avoided the sunlight, because it hurt their skin and their eyes. This was absolutely unbelievable for a sun-loving species like us).

They seemed to be intelligent and peaceful at the beginning and we started a more or less friendly communication with them, but later they showed their real intentions and plans: they wanted to evolve the apes to a new breed and we were a disturbing factor for them on their new zoo planet.

At first, they caught around 10,000 or maybe even 20,000 of your simian ancestors and they left the planet for some hundred years. When they returned, they brought your (now more human) ancestors back.

Then they left Earth again for some thousands of years and the primitive pre-humans lived together with us without major problems (they were just afraid of our aircraft and technology).

The "Illojim" had taught their mind and enhanced their brain and their body structure and they were now able to use tools and fire.

The "Illojim" returned within 23,000 years seven times and accelerated the evolution speed of certain of your kind.

You must understand that you are not the first human civilization on the planet.

The first advanced humans (who lived at the same time with less-developed pre-humans, because the "Illojim" had experimented with different speeds and stages of evolution) with technology and speech existed around 700,000 years ago on this planet (your scientists have not understand this, because they've found only the bones of the pre-humans and some primitive cave drawings showing advanced humans and flying devices.) This genetically advanced human breed lived together with us, but they avoided contact with my kind, because the "Illojim" teachers had warned them with misleading purpose that we are evil beings and that we lie to them.

Well, after some centuries the aliens decided to extinct their first creation and they accelerated the evolution of a second and better test series and so on and so on.

The truth is that your modern human civilization is not the first on this planet Earth but already the seventh.

The buildings of the first breeds are lost, but the fifth civilization was the one, which built the large triangular constructions you call "Egyptian Pyramids" today around 75,000 years ago (your Egyptians just found that large ancient pyramids in the sand and tried not very successfully to built similar constructions) and the sixth civilization was the one, which built the cities whose ruins you can find today beneath the sea in the so-called Bimini Area around 16,000 years ago.

The last creation of the seventh breed - of your series - was done just 8,500 years ago and this is the only creation you can remember and to which your religious writings refer.

You rely on archeological and paleonthological artifacts which show you a wrong and short past, but how should you know anything about the six civilizations before.

And if you find evidence for their existence, you deny and misinterpret the facts. This is partly a programming of your mind and partly pure ignorance. I will tell you in the following only about your creations, because the six previous mankinds are lost and therefore they should not concern you.

There was a long war between us and the "Illojim" and also between certain groups of the "Illojim" themselves, because many of them were the opinion that the again-and-again creation of human species on this planet makes no real sense.

The last battles in this war were fought around 5,000 years ago in orbit and surface. The aliens used powerful sonic weapons to destroy our underground cities but on the other hand we were able to destroy many of their surface installations and bases in space.

The humans of your series were very frightened when they observed our battles and they wrote it down in form of religious myths (their mind was not able to understand what was really going on.) The "Illojim" - who appeared as "gods" for the sixth and seventh breed - told them that it is a war between good and evil and that they are the good and we are the evil race.

This depends certainly on the point of view.

It was our planet before they arrived and before they started their evolution project with your kind.

In my opinion, it was our right to fight for our planet. It was exactly 4,943 years ago - according to your time scale - that the Illojim left the planet again for unknown reasons (this is a very important date for us, because many of our historians called it a victory.)

Fact is that we don't know what had really happened. The "Illojim" were gone from one day to another, they vanished without a trace together with their ships and we found most of their surface installations destroyed by them.

The humans were on their own and your civilization developed.

Many of us were in contact with certain (more southern) tribes of your species in the coming centuries and we were able to convince some of them that we are not the "Evil" the aliens wanted them to believe.

During the time from 4,900 years ago to today, many other alien species arrived on the planet (some of them used the old teaching and programming of your mind and "played" again God for you) but the "Illojim" themselves never came back.

They had left the planet for a duration of some thousand years also earlier, so we expect their return one day in future to end their project or to maybe extinct also the seventh breed, but we don't really know what has happened to them (to answer this question of you in advance).

Your current civilization doesn't know anything about your real origin, about your real past, about your real world and universe and you know very little about us and our past. And you know nothing about the things to come in near future.

As long as you will not understand and believe my words - I tell you the truth, as long there is danger for your species, because we are not your enemy.

Your enemies are already here and you have not understood.

Open your eyes or you will be in big trouble soon. If you haven't believed anything of the things I've told you before, then you should really believe and remember this.





Question: Why do you think I don't believe you?

Answer: I have a certain feeling that you don't believe me, despite the fact that I'm sitting here in front of you. Everything I have told you in the last two hours is the absolute truth about our world.





Question: How many alien species are active on earth at the moment?

Answer: As far as we know 14 species. 11 from this universe, 2 from another "bubble" and 1 very advanced from a very different plane.

Don't ask me for names, because nearly all are not pronounceable for you, eight of them are not pronounceable even for us.

Most of the species - especially the more advanced - are just studying you as animals and they are not very dangerous for you and for us and we work together with some of them, but three species are hostile, including the one which was in contact with some of your governments and exchanged their technology for copper and other important things and which had betrayed your kind.

There was and is a "cold war" between two of these hostile races during the last 73 years and the third species seemed to be the "winner" in this useless struggle. We expect a more "hot" war between them and you in the near future (I would say in the next 10 or 20 years) and we are worried about that development.

In recent time, there were some rumors about a new, fifteenth species which had arrived on Earth just 3 or 4 years ago, but we don't know anything about their intentions and we were not in contact with them till now.

Maybe the rumors are wrong.





Question: What do the hostile alien races want?

Answer: Various raw materials, including copper for their technology, your water (or better the hydrogen in your water, which is a source of energy in advanced fusion processes) and certain chemical elements in your air.

Furthermore, two of the species are also interested in your body, in your human tissue and blood, because their own genetic structure is defective through bad evolution and radiation (as far as we know) and they need intact strings from your kind and from animals to repair their own genetics again and again, but they are not really able to repair the defects completely because their DNA and your DNA is not fully compatible (my own species is absolutely incompatible with them, so they are not very interested in us) and they try to make more compatible crossbreeds between you and them by use of artificial fertilizations and artificial wombs.

We suppose that the coming war between the three races or between you and one or all of them will be fought for raw material, hydrogen, air and DNA.





Question: Is this the reason for the "abductions"?

Answer: Partly, especially when the aliens took egg and sperm samples from you. Sometimes the abductors belong to another and more advanced race and they just want to study your body and your mind (which is more interesting for some of them than your solid body) as you would study a primitive animal.

As I have said, three alien species are hostile and this means that they do not care for your fate or for your life and people who were "abducted" by them came very rarely back alive.

If someone is able to report about an abduction, it means in my opinion that he or she has not met one of the aggressive species or that he or she is a very, very lucky human to be alive. Advanced and "friendly" races also took sometimes egg and sperm samples, but for other reasons.





Question: You've said there are only 14 species active on earth. But why describe people who saw alien beings so many different and bizarre types of them?

Answer: I think I have already answered to this question.

As I have said, most of the alien races have much more advanced mind abilities than you or even me (there is just one alien race completely without such abilities). They are able to appear in your mind and memory as whatever they want and this induced "image" has nothing to do with their real appearance.

You remember them as normal humans or grey dwarfs or even extremely bizarre animals because they want you to remember that or sometimes they want you to completely forget anything about a meeting with them.

Another example: you can, for example, remember that you were just in a normal human at a local hospital and that some doctors were examining you and you do not think further about what has happened to you (maybe till you discover that there is no hospital on the street were you supposed), but, in fact, you were examined by them in one of their laboratories.

You can't rely on your mind in this case.

They appear in different shapes to you to confuse you and to make so-called abduction witnesses who were able to remember the events - or who believe they are able to remember - ridiculous in the public and as far as we know, they are successful.

Believe me, there are only 14 alien species on this planet and only eight of them abduct humans at the moment (again as far as we know.)

In addition, not everyone of your "abductees" is one and some of the aliens in their reports are really just imagination or lies.





Question: How can we protect us against this influence on our mind?

Answer: I don't know. I doubt you can, because your mind is like an open book to read and write for nearly every species I know.

This is partly the guilty of the "Illojim" themselves, because they had constructed or better mis-constructed (partly intentionally) your mind and your consciousness without real protection mechanisms.

If you are aware that someone tries to manipulate your mind, you can only concentrate on that suspicion and try to analyze every one of your thoughts and memories.

Very important: don't close your eyes (this would lead to a different form of brain waves which are more easy to access) and don't sit or lay down to rest.

If you stay awake during the first minutes, you can maybe try to filter the other thoughts and waves in your brain and the inducer will give up after some minutes if he or she is not successful because it will start to hurt his or her own brain.

This is very difficult and certainly painful and it can harm you, so better don't try to resist but it would be the only possibility you have. However, you can try this only with the weaker species, not with the strong.





Question: What do you mean with "one species comes from a very different plane"?

Answer: Before I can explain that correctly to you, you must be able to understand the universe and this would mean a maybe useless teaching of your mind (including the remove of some barriers) of many weeks and with teaching I mean not only teaching by words. I have said this with your word "plane" or "level" because you have again no better word in your vocabulary and dimension would be in this case absolutely wrong (it's rather wrong even for another "bubble") because a dimension can't exist without plains.

If you would be a species living in another or over the plane and if you would be furthermore able to enter planes without technology so that your body is not made of that kind of matter you know, then you would be the mightiest being you can imagine.

This very advanced race I've mentioned had developed outside of here and they've evolved in fact over billions of years.

They would be able to destroy all of you and us and everything with just a single thought.

We were in contact with them only 3 times in our whole history, because their interest in your planet is different from that of all other races. They are definitely no danger for you or us.





Question: What will happen when the war begins?

Answer: This is difficult to answer.

It depends on the enemy race and on their tactic. "War" is not always that primitive thing you humans mean with the word, "War" can be fought on various levels.

One possibility they have is the "destruction" of your social system by influence on political leaders, another is the use of advanced weapon systems which can cause earthquakes or volcanic eruptions or other disasters (including weather disasters) which may seem natural to you.

The special fields from copper- fusion I've mentioned earlier are able to have an influence on your global weather.

I think they will not attack the planet directly before the human civilization is weak, because even you have possibilities to destroy their craft (but not many.) Let me say, that we are not absolutely sure if there will be really such a "hot" war already in the next years. I don't want to talk further about this.





Question: This is the end of the interview. Do you want to say a last sentence or message?

Answer: Open your eyes and see. Don't believe only in your wrong history or your scientists or your politicians. Some of them know the truth about various things, but they don't inform the public to avoid confusion and panic.

I think your species is not as bad as some of my kind thinks and it would be a pity to observe your end. That's everything I can say. Go through your world with open eyes and you will see - or maybe not. Your kind is ignorant.





Question: Do you think anyone will believe that this interview is the truth?

Answer: No, but it is an interesting experiment for my social studies. We will meet again in some months and you will tell me then what has happened after the publication of my message. Maybe there is hope for your kind.

The Lacerta File II


Translation by Doug Parrish.

Taken from http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index4.html


Introduction

I once again reaffirm that the following text is the absolute truth and is not fiction. It was composed from three original tape recordings which were made on April 24, 2000 with a tape recorder during my second interview with the reptilian creature known as "Lacerta".

At Lacerta's request, the original text of 31 pages was revised and shortened up to deal with some questions and answers.

Some existing questions were partially shortened or amended. It was even undertaken to extract message and significance from it.

This part of the interview, either not mentioned or not mentioned completely in the transcript, deals primarily with personal issues, paranormal demonstrations, the social system of the reptilian species and alien technology and physics.



The reason for the shifting of the date and time of the second meeting was a possible observation and surveillance of my own person after the publication of the first transcript.

Although everything was attempted on the advice of Lacerta to keep my identity a secret, just two days after the dissemination of the document abroad, and various unusual events took place.

Please don't think that I am paranoid; however, I believe that the publication of the interview has drawn either official attention or the attention of some organization to me.

Up until this time, I usually regarded people who believed that they were being followed by the state to be nothing more than jokers.

But now I have begun to revise my ideas on that since events in January.

It began with a failure of my telephone for several hours. When the phone became operational once again, there were quiet echoes and strange clicking and whirring sounds when I made calls.

A defect could (ostensibly) not be found anywhere.

Overnight, important data disappeared from the hard drive in my computer.

The testing program reported "defective sectors" where strangely enough there were only data which dealt with illustrations and completed textual material from the interview.

These "defective sectors" also contained material of a paranormal nature in the field of my research. (Fortunately, the material was also stored on floppies.) In addition I discovered by pure chance some hidden data in a likewise hidden directory index. The name which appeared on the data and the directory index was "E72UJ."



A friend, who is a computer expert, could not make anything of this designation, and when I was about to show it to him, the directory index had disappeared. One evening, my apartment door was standing wide open, my TV set was running —and I am absolutely confident that I had turned the TV set off.



A minivan with British markings and the imprint of a Europe-wide supermarket chain parked in front of my house.

I noticed the same minivan again on several occasions traveling at a distance behind my car, even when I visited the town of 65 kilometers away.

When I returned, the car was on the other side of the street once again.

I never saw anyone get into or out of the car. A knock on the door of the vehicle and on the tinted windows caused no reaction of any kind.

After about two weeks, the minivan disappeared again. When I informed E.F. personally about these events, he suggested that I change the place and date of the meeting in order to assure our own and Lacerta's safety.

The meeting took place on April 27, 2000 in another isolated location. It was unobserved as far as I can determine.

Once again, all of this may sound strange and paranoid, like a fantasy from a cheap science fiction film; however, I can only repeat to and assure the reader once again: all of this is the unadulterated truth.

Believe my words or don't believe them.

These things have happened and they will continue to happen, whether you believe it or not. Until it is too late. Our civilization is in danger.





Ole. K. - May 3, 2000

Transcript of Interview II (Shortened Version)

Date of Interview: April 27, 2000

[Comment by Ole. K.: The meeting began with an appraisal of diverse questions and opinions which I had gotten from readers of the first transcript in anonymous fashion through distribution from my trustworthy friends.

Some of these opinions—all together there were over 14 pages of paper— contained comments shaped by everything from a radically religious to a fanatical tendency to welcome contact with a reptilian species.

Some of these comments contained stereotypical phrases like "Servants of Hell" or "Species of the Evil One". I don't want to go into any kind of detailed description here since I don't want pass on further any false and radical realm of thought.]





Question: When you read these religious and animosity-ridden comments here, what do you think and feel then? Is the relationship between your species and ours really shaped from that kind of total negation?

Answer: Does it amaze you that I am not completely angered by that?

I had fully expected those kinds of extreme reactions. The programming for the utter negation of another species (especially the reptilian species) as in your own case is deeply embedded in each of your own individual consciousnesses.

This ancient conditioning stems from the days of your third artificial creation and, biologically speaking, is passed down as an information genome from generation to generation.

The identification of my species with the powers of darkness was a primary intention of the Illojim, who liked seeing themselves in the role of the powers of light — something which in and of itself represents a paradox, since that humanoid species was extremely sensitive to your sunlight.

In case you were expecting me to act offended, I guess I'll have to partially disappoint you. These obscure intentions are not really your fault; you are simply following for the most part what you have inherited from your ancestors. It is indeed actually somewhat disappointing that many of you develop no especially strong individual self-conscience, for this would help you to overcome the conditioning.

As I already said, we were in direct contact in the last several centuries with some of your more primitive human tribes; these tribes had themselves succeeded in breaking through the old "creation programming;" they were able to meet us without tension, hate and total rejection.

Apparently many of your modern civilized individuals are not in a position to think on their own, but rather let themselves be guided by programming and religion (which is also a manifestation of that ancient programming and part and parcel of the plan of the Illojim).

Therefore, comments of that kind I'd sooner regard as amusing than irritating; they simply confirm in large measure for me my suppositions about your defined mode of thinking.





Question: Therefore, you are not the "Species of the Evil One" as was remarked earlier?

Answer: How am I supposed to answer that?

Your people still think according to a simple and completely inappropriate scheme of generalizations.

Simply put, there are absolutely NO purely evil species.

There exist in every terrestrial and extraterrestrial species alike both good and evil individuals; it's even true of your own people; but there is NO such thing as an absolutely evil species.

This conception is really very primitive.

You people have believed from time immemorial what you are supposed to believe—what was foreseen for you to believe by your creators.

Every well-known species, even the more highly developed ones, consists of a great number of individual consciousnesses (at least a portion of the consciousness is individual, even though there are connecting fields of consciousness); these self-sufficient spirits are able to decide freely for themselves a lifestyle which is either good or evil, according to your own human standards.

It depends again on the respective point of view; your people are not necessarily in a position to judge whether the deeds of a much more highly developed species are good or evil, because you stand at a lower observation point, from which an assessment is not possible.

Your simple words "good" and "evil" are in any case examples of a tendency towards generalization; in my language there are many concepts for the various shades of meaning of individual behaviors in comparison to the norms of a society.

Even those extraterrestrial species which are inclined to act with antagonism towards you are not "Species of the Evil One," even though they operate negatively with respect to your own race.

They do this for their own reasons and do not regard themselves as evil; were your structured way of thinking more linear and more focused as theirs is, then you would also behave in such a fashion.

The attitude of a species towards other kinds of existence naturally depends very heavily on its respective structured way of thinking; each species sets its own priorities.

To classify that as "good" or "evil" is really quite primitive, for the survival of any species argues for many varieties, among them your own, as well as for even the most varied of the worst or negatively-directed deeds.

I won't even exclude my own kind in this regard, for there have been certain occurrences in the past which I don't personally welcome, but about which I would also not like to go into detail.

None of these occurrences have happened in the last 200 years of your time scale. But please note the following: there are NO absolutely good and there are NO absolutely bad species, because each and every species always consists of individuals.





Question: In the letters that I got, there was often the question, whether you could go into any greater detail regarding the advanced physics that you commented on last time. Many people said, your words made no sense. For example, how do UFOs function, how do they fly, how do they perform the maneuvers that they do?

Answer: I ought to explain that to people? That's not all that simple.

Let me think about it for a minute. I always have to use very simple words in order to make clear to you the basic principles of a higher kind of science.

Let's try this: You have to be clear about some fundamental facts.

The very first thing is that you must divide up the conception of the physical world because each existence consists of different layers; let's say for simplicity's sake that it consists of a material illusion and a sphere of influence. {TRANSLATOR'S NOTE: No legitimate translation exists for this word 'Feldraum'; "Feld" means "field," "Raum" means "space, room, expanse."Therefore, I'm translating it as "sphere of influence."} Certain physical conditions are associated only with the realm of the material {as in 'concrete'}, while other and more complicated conditions are associated only with the sphere of influence of the material world.

Your conception of the physical world is based upon a simple material illusion.

That illusion is further subdivided into three elementary or basic conditions of matter.

A fourth and very important condition also exists, which you simply pay attention to more or less as you choose; it is the one bordering on the sphere of influence or plasma realm.

For you, the theory for a controlled transformation or an elevation of the frequency of matter and the stable existence of this fourth aggregate condition of matter is not very common, or it exists at a very primitive level. (As an aside, there are simply five states of matter, but the post-plasma state would really be going too far and it would only serve to confuse you.

Besides, it is not necessary for an understanding of the basic theory; it is connected with diverse phenomena which you would characterize as paranormal.) Now, back to the essentials: Plasma...now, with plasma I don't mean just "hot gas"—as the concept is generally simplified by your people—but rather I mean a higher aggregate condition of matter.

The plasma state of matter is a special form of matter which lies between its real existence and the sphere of influence, that is, a complete loss of mass and pure accretion of energy in various forms whenever matter is "pushed or shoved." {NOTE: No explanation was given for the use of the word "pushed, shoved" as used in this context. Your guess is as good as mine.}

The fourth state of matter is very important for certain physical conditions which can be used for example to...how should I express this to you...generate antigravity.

(That's a rather strange human word and not really correct, but you ought to understand it better this way.) essentially, in the world of real physics, there are no bipolar forces, but rather only "observer dependent reflective behavior" of a single, large unified force at different levels.

With antigravity or the displacement of gravitational characteristics into levels, one can, for example, cause apparently solid matter to levitate; this method is employed partly by us and by extraterrestrials as well as a means of propulsion for their UFOs.

Your people are moving on a really primitive level towards a similar principle for your secret military projects, but since you have more or less stolen this technology (and it was later falsely passed on to you intentionally by the extraterrestrials), you lack the real physical understanding; as a result, you have to struggle with problems of instability and radiation with your "UFOs".

According to my information, there have been a great number of deaths of your people because of intense radiation and field disturbances.

Don't you agree, this is also an example of the business regarding the question of "good" and "evil"?

You people play with unknown forces and thereby accept the death of colleagues of your own kind, for they are dying for a greater cause, namely, for the advancement of your technology, which as a result is being put into place once again for the purpose of war, i.e., for negative pursuits.

Now, one can give you the benefit of the doubt, that only the least number of your kind have any knowledge about these alien projects which are —as you explain it— top secret.

It was told to you that the higher the ordinal or ranking number of basic matter, the simpler the heightening of the condition, but that is only partially correct. If you can't circumvent these powers, then you're better off not attempting it. But your kind has always been ignorant and has from time immemorial tried to play around with forces which you have not even understood. Why would that ever change?

You remember this business of copper fusion?

By means of the fluctuation at the right angle with the induced radiation field, copper is fused with other elements. (The illusion of matter is fused, the fields in the sphere of influence overlap each other, but the main force would be reflected by that process and would assume a quasi-bipolar character.) The resulting connection and the field would therefore not be stable in the normal condition of matter and unsuited for tasks.

As a result, the entire field spectrum is shifted to a higher plasma-like condition, whereby the spectrum comes together with this harsh shifting to the opposite pole side —the word is NOT correct— of the force field and it resembles quite closely a gravitational shift.

This shifting causes a "tilting" of the repulsing quasi- bipolar force, which now no longer flows to the interior of the force field, but rather flows partly to the exterior of the field.

The result is an inter-stratifying reflective force field which is very difficult to modulate within certain technical boundaries in relation to its own characteristics. It can also carry out a multiplicity of tasks, as for example, causing massive flying objects to be levitated and maneuvered.

It can also exert a camouflage function in the realm of electromagnetic radiation as well as manipulate temporal sequences of events—indeed only to very limited extent—and other things as well.

Are you familiar with your "quantum tunnel effect"?

Even the amplitude equalizations among genuine matter can be achieved with one of those kinds of fields if the frequency and the distance from the plane of the field are high enough.

Unfortunately, the whole thing that I have explained to you in your words has come out to be rather primitive, I'm afraid.

It sounds rather strange and certainly impossible for your comprehension, but perhaps this simple explanation can be of some use to you in helping you to understand. But then again, maybe not.





Question: Is there a scientific substantiation for paranormal powers, as for example with your powers of thought?

Answer: Yes. In order to explain that, one has to acknowledge the physical reality of the sphere of influence {Feldraum}. I'll try to do it...wait just a second...you are going to have to separate yourself mentally from the illusion that that which you see is the true nature of the universe.

It is, at best, the surface of a side. Imagine for yourself that all the matter here —you, this table, this pencil, this technical device, this paper— does not really exist, but that it is rather only the result of a field oscillation and a concentration of energy.

All matter that you see, every creature, every planet and star in this universe, has an "information-energy equivalent" in the sphere of influence which is located on a main field —the general level {of things}.

Now, there is not only one level, but several. Last time, I had mentioned that a highly-developed species is capable of changing levels (which is something completely different from the simple bubble changing, for bubbles are a part of each and every level). Do you understand?

Dimensions, as you call them, are a part of a solitary bubble, bubbles or universal foam are a part of a level, and levels are layers in the sphere of influence, while the sphere of influence, acting in the capacity of single physical size, is essentially unending; it is composed of innumerable information-energy layers and general levels. There are in the sphere of influence no null-levels; all are the same, but they are separated by means of their energy conditions. I notice that I am confusing you now. I think I ought to stop with this explanation.





Question: No, please continue. How do concrete paranormal powers arise?

Answer: Well, OK then. Let's try something simpler.

Again, it is not completely correct, but let's begin in this manner: Tangible matter on this side is mirrored in the sphere of influence {Feldraum} as a field with distinct layers.

These layers contain information, as an example, about the simple structure of matter or the string frequency, but also there is stored information stemming from the development of matter.

Are you familiar with the human concept of "morphogenetic fields?"

One part of the layer could be designated as such. Now there is still another intermediary layer for which you unfortunately have no human concept, since the theory is not common in human thinking.

Let's call it a "para-layer," for this layer is mainly responsible for everything which you call PSI and paranormal and which lies outside the boundaries of your primitive science.

This para-layer lies between the layers of matter and the morphogenetic layers of a field in the sphere of influence.

It can actively integrate with both.

Your body, for example, is mirrored as a field in the sphere of influence {Feldraum}. That doesn't mean that it does not also exist here as well —as flesh, blood, bones — in the form of matter strings or atoms, but not only that.

Existence is always a duality.

Some layers of the field contain simple information about the solid matter of your body and its frequency, while other layers {contain information about} your spirit, your consciousness or, speaking from a human-religious point of view, your soul.

Awareness or consciousness in this case is a simple energy matrix, divided into different layers of your field in the sphere of influence —nothing more, nothing less. Genuine awareness can also exist here on the matter side, but only in the form of post-plasma {the fifth form of matter}.

With the necessary physical knowledge and the corresponding technology, the consciousness/awareness matrix, or soul, can also be separated from its field of rest.

It can, despite its removal, continue to exist in a self-sufficient manner for a certain amount of time. That has the strange occult name of "soul robbing." But above all, we're talking about science here, not about magic or dark forces.

[Comment by Ole. K.: The "soul robbing" was mentioned in one of the radical, religiously-motivated comments in connection with the reptilian species.]

But back to your Question: Creatures with more powerful mental powers can have a direct influence on the para-layer by means of their consciousness/awareness fields.

Now this layer is not limited only to the individual, but rather as a part of a general information layer —you could call it in a prosaic sense the community soul— that is connected with all animate and inanimate matter and all consciousness which exist on this main level.

The biological cause for these abilities lies on the side of matter, by the way, in the pituitary gland, which always is in the position to generate the frequencies to actively control the sphere of influence {Feldraum}.

Even you people could theoretically do this; however, you are solidly blocked in these things. As I have said, the para-layer can interact with mind as well as with matter. For example, if I decide to use my mental powers once more in order to move this pencil, then, simply said, I imagine in my mind how my consciousness/awareness expands/amplifies itself on the matter side in the form of post-plasma to the pencil.

In the sphere of influence this causes simultaneously an automatic command from the consciousness/awareness layer to the para-layer to interact with the matter layer of the pencil.

Since the para-layer is not confined to the body, it is not even a problem that the pencil lies over there, for I can unerringly reach it, even without moving my matter body. Post-Plasma on this side, para-layer on the other.

I have control over the pencil and the interaction brings the matter field of the pencil to the point where it changes in the manner in which it moves, for example.

[Comment by Ole K.: I certify that the pencil mentioned above abruptly at that very moment jumped into the air to a height of 20 cm and then fell back to the surface of the table. The sound is clearly heard on the recording tape. No one visibly had touched that pencil.]





Question: That is fascinating. Which kinds of paranormal activities can one generate with that?

Answer: All kinds. Everything that you call paranormal. As I said, this special layer lies in the sphere of influence {Feldraum} between the morphogenetic information layers and the matter layers and can interact with respect to both sides. That is to say, it can be interacted with solid matter as well as with mind or mental information, wherewith we can achieve everything that is generally designated as telekinesis and telepathy.

The "connection absorption" with another consciousness/awareness is generally separate in the procedure from the simple influence of matter, since different consciousness/awareness fields work with different oscillations.

A consciousness/awareness that sends or a consciousness/awareness that listens must first adapt itself to the other mind exactly, before any access is possible. Most species also have chances to block the alien access, but you people don't have this.

The following is generally valid:

the stronger the paranormal abilities of a species, the simpler the adaptation and the access.

Our own abilities are not so powerfully developed; therefore, first we have to learn specifically alien mind influence in order to use our mimicry, for example—where mimicry is actually quite simple in your minds due to the implanting of the on/off switch.

Some of these abilities are also partially inherited; mother and child of my kind as an example are attuned exactly during the first months of life —partially also in the egg covering in the expectant mother— and communicate telepathically. In order to influence you people, we need a certain amount of time for practicing, despite your simple structure.

Therefore, it is forbidden, for example, for adults of my kind before the "Age of Enlightenment" to come to the surface of the Earth. (That term is synonymous, along with other things, with full physical strength.) In the case of not fully developed abilities, the danger of discovery by you would be too great.

By the way, there are of course numerous secret teachings about the real possibilities which can give one these abilities, but I really don't know anything exact about that.

Whenever an alien mind ought to be influenced, then there are some generally valid steps, which are set into motion by other extraterrestrial species.

First and foremost, the alien oscillation must be felt, something generally that is done automatically by the brain, i.e., for the one the field oscillation, for the other the quasi-electrical brain waves here in the normal space {which matter inhabits}.

That is not especially difficult. After that, one simply probes for the other consciousness/awareness in the mind with a post-plasma manifestation, the sphere of influence {Feldraum} reacts and the connection is there.

Now one can read out information from the first one and record the desired information to the second one in the correct location.

You asked me last time whether you people have the opportunity to protect yourselves against this influence, and I told you that only an awake and concentrated mind had any kind of a chance to withstand it.

In this state of mind the oscillations change very abruptly and access becomes complicated; more precisely, it can come as a painful recoil.

Whenever you close your eyes, then the field becomes "flat," and alien access {to the mind} is immediately possible and without restriction.

In terms of your chances against a more highly developed species, you have none at all.

They are able to adjust the oscillations faster than you can change. I could even demonstrate it on you, but you were really horrified and confused the last time, so we'll just leave it at an explanation.

This explanation presumably sounds to you like —as you say— something esoteric or from the occult or magic.

The reason for that is simply that you lack the basic understanding for seeing the background reasons.

All paranormal phenomena have a purely scientific origination.

None of this has anything to do with supernatural powers.

We grow up with this kind of knowledge, we know how one makes use of these powers, and where they come from.

We are acquainted with theory and practice. You are not. Therefore, you really don't understand what happens in your world—you see only one side of existence, not the other (I mean here both that are physical). Everything paranormal is dualistic, and it exists in the space that matter inhabits as well as in the sphere of influence {Feldraum}. To be explained...it can only be explained by the acceptance of the latter, because the sphere of influence {Feldraum} is the basis.

I would welcome an end to the scientific questions since you really aren't grasping them anyway. We're wasting more or less valuable time by doing this.





Question: Only one last question. At our first meeting in December, you made it quite clear that you didn't want to discuss scientific and paranormal concerns. Why the openness now?

Answer: The last time I saw really no necessity in overburdening you with facts of that kind (and now you are obviously overburdened).

Therefore, I had preferred only to mention these topics in a peripheral sense. Apparently, however, some of my performances today have set you to thinking about your world, something that can't be all bad. And by the way, your human scientists will tend to regard my comments as "humbug." And so I see no great danger in spreading this information widely.

No one will pay much attention to it.

By the way, the words of people who have characterized me as a "Creature of Evil" have their basis in the belief in occult powers and magic —both of which things DO NOT exist.

There is no magic, only highly developed science, and everything that you label as "magic" is only a part of science.

If you would only comprehend that, then you would be a step ahead in your development. My openness on this issue ends here. Pose other questions, please.





Question: Good. Let's talk about UFOs. Can you explain to me how our governments came into possession of UFO material to the point that they could start their own projects? Did it have anything to do with the "Roswell Incident?"

Answer: Yes, but that incident was not the first one.

I am no historian, I am studying only your current behavior, so my knowledge about those events in your history is presumably not very extensive.

I will try to explain to you what I know about those things which happened at that time.

Let me think about it for a second. In the years 1946 to 1953 in your time scale, there were five cases where extraterrestrial ships crashed to the surface of the Earth.

In that crash which you call the "Roswell Incident," there was not only one alien ship involved, but two that crashed after a collision in different parts of the land in the west—the one you call the USA. (You have to know that the ships of this particular species can remain levitating in the air for a particular period of time even though they are damaged; that accounts for the spatial difference {in their crash locations}.) These were indeed not the first crashes, but by that time the second and the third. Another ship had crashed in 1946, but it was destroyed beyond usability.

One thing first before the explanation: it certainly sounds ridiculous to you that such highly developed extraterrestrial ships simply crash, and that a relatively large number did so in a relatively short amount of time.

The explanation for that is likewise more than strange, but it is correct. It does not lie in the ship's drive itself, but rather in the direction of the field to your planet.

This species that we are discussing —and it was always in this time period that this species used a disk-shaped craft— used a propulsion system which ran according to the normal principle of fusion, to be sure, but one that at that time employed a more than unconventional method for field alignment.

This method had various advantages but also disadvantages.

The repelling field must of course lie in the absolute correct angle to the surface of the Earth.

This species used an alignment technology in their ships, with which the field locked into place all points of the Earth's magnetic field.

Now at that time this species had just arrived on the earth and their point of origin lay on a planet with a more stable magnetic field, for which they had developed and aligned their drive.

The magnetic field of the Earth is not really all that stable; it is subject to cyclical variations and it forms field eddies under unfavorable conditions.

Whenever a ship with one of those kinds of drives gets into a field fluctuation or into an eddy that is too strong, then for a short time the repelling field can no longer align itself correctly and the ship glides uncontrolled on its flight path.

The drive is operating correctly, to be sure, but the field fluctuates in all directions and because of that, the ship can crash.

In the case from 1947 which you addressed, it is my understanding that one of the ships got caught in a fluctuation, its field linked up unintentionally with that of its squadron leader and it collided with another ship whereby both of them were heavily damaged.

The cause for the magnetic fluctuation at that time was probably an electrical disturbance brought about by a weather event.

Both ships crashed as a result; one of them fell near the collision point, the other a hundred of your kilometers or so distant.

All occupants were killed in the impact.

The thin hull structure of that kind of disk craft is in and of itself not very stable, since those disks have not been designed for crashes as well as for flight in a field where there are exterior forces at work.

Now, your human military collected the individual pieces at first until they discovered the whole ships with the dead creatures aboard.

Immediately they classified everything as "Top Secret" and brought them to their military bases in order to analyze the drive.

The secret endeavor was to set the alien technology in place later against evil enemies of that great country.

That is as primitive as it is ridiculous.

I believe I remember—I don't want to specify exactly your date—that it was probably between 1949 and 1952 that there was a rather bad accident during some research being done on one of the wrecks.

According to what I heard—what members of my species were told by members of that government— it resulted in an unintentional activation of one of the drive's components in the unshielded condition.

As a result, for a very short period of time—how should I phrase this—there was an unchecked shift of the environment to a plasma-like condition, which on the other hand, through a very, very unfortunate accident, caused an overturning of the general power field into a magnetic pulse of immense power.

Do you have any idea what kind of an effect a plasma-magnetic jolt has, when it comes into contact with an organism? No, how should you know that.

Of course you don't. Disturbance in the structure of the field and bioelectric feedback.

Imagine, if you will, a human body which is engulfed in bright flames for 3 or 4 of your days.

Those flames apparently do not go out and they burn the body right down to its last constituents. Well, then you have an approximate impression of what happened. I think that 20 or 30 of your scientists were killed in that lab.

Two further crashes occurred in 1950 and 1953 in the water catchment area of the American continent. Those ships were able to be recovered from the crashes relatively intact. (The one in 1953, as I remember, even had an intact drive core. It was by means of that device that you saw for the first time that you had understood the entire concept fully incorrectly and that you had reconstructed it fully incorrectly. Even today you still don't have it right.) That species, which had built the ships in the first place —a species which I, by the way, count among those who are unfriendly towards you— was naturally worried about the investigation of their own technology by your kind.

They did not want, however, at that early point in time, to begin direct conflict with you, and so they chose the diplomatic path and came into contact with that government during your 1960's.

Of course, they did not divulge the real reasons for their being here —copper, hydrogen, air— but rather they pretended to be curious "researchers" and offered to show people the functioning principle of the ships whereby they would expect in return some "favors."

Simple-minded as you are, you of course agreed to it...and were deceived. You gave them raw materials, you gave them secured locations for their bases, you gave them access to your most secret defense data, you gave them access to your DNA and much more—and all just to quench your greed for power and information.

The alien species of course quickly noticed that they were dealing with simple-minded creatures, and they gave you false and inferior information about their technology so that they receive much more out of the collaboration than your kind do.

For example, they gave you information that the drive can only be constructed with unstable elements of a higher ranking number, but they withheld the information that the field drive can be constructed with various modifications to work as well with stable elements of a lower periodic number, and generally, that's the way it's done.

Through these half truths they made you dependent on the synthesizing of high {numbered} elements, and thereby renewed by their own technology.

Their clues to the construction of your "UFOs" were laid out in such a way that the solution to old problems caused new problems to arise simultaneously.

They never told you the complete truth, but always built in again and again clever lies, which later lead to technical problems —and to your dependence on them.

In the last years of your 1970's and your early 1980's, it finally came down to various events between the alien species and that human government —I don't want to go into detail here since there is much that even I am not exactly sure of.

The whole thing lay in the context with some new, or better said, the old technical problems with your own self-constructed ships whose camouflage and drive partially failed to function in test flights in the open.

Because of that, the function of secrecy was threatened.

Your military and your politicians slowly— very slowly—came to the conclusion after more than 20 years of this that they had been deceived by that alien species.

Multitudinous incongruities and the overstepping of bounds of the treaties by both sides finally led to an altercation between you and the extraterrestrials, which culminated in the lift-off of three of the alien aerial objects through a special —how do you say it?— EMP {electromagnetic pulse} weapon and a military skirmish at one of their underground installations.

As a consequence of these attacks, the alien species ultimately withdrew from all contact with you and was understandably more than angered about your kind.

Therefore, I count these extraterrestrials among the three groups who are hostile towards you, and while the other two are more occupied with their own business, among them waging a cold war for dominance on your planet, your old "friends" and partners are preparing to supply themselves finally with the sole and absolute dominance over raw materials and human DNA.

At the moment it is probably true that they lack some of the technical possibilities and the large amount of forces which they need in order to achieve their goals directly. In spite of that, we are counting on negative actions —possibly ever of a more subtle kind— against you in the next few years or decades.





Question: Will the other extraterrestrial species undertake nothing against these war-like actions? Specifically, something ought to be on Earth for the more highly developed species.

Answer: You're wrong there.

Specifically, for the more highly developed species there is simply at the very least your fate. You are animals for them.

Animals in a very large lab.

Understandably, an alien intervention on your planet would disturb their projects, but I don't think that they accept a confrontation with other species for it.

Many of them could look for another research planet for themselves or they could study over a long distance your behavior and your consciousness/awareness, since crisis situations could have an attraction for their studies.

Whenever you people take a look at an ant hill, and another person comes along and steps on the ant hill, what do you do?

You go on your way, or you search for another ant hill or you observe the ants in their crisis condition.

But would one of you —even though he were larger and more powerful than the one who stepped on the ant hill in the first place— defend the meaningless ants? No.

You have to imagine for yourself the viewpoint of the more highly advanced creatures. You are the ants. Don't expect any help from them.

Of course we would also ask for help when it became clear that your old partners were ganging up on you. Some members of that human government are fully aware of our existence —also partially owing to an old religious basis.

For example, there is a gigantic partially underground building in the capital which is totally dedicated to my species and that also has a direct approach to an elevator shaft and to an underground system.

In this building partial meetings have taken place and do take place between us and humans.

We have passed on information to you in the last few years; according to what I know, we will keep ourselves as far away from the conflict as we can.

You ought to learn to solve your own problems yourselves or to become intelligent enough never to create those kinds of situations.

What will come and who will possibly place themselves on your side, only time will tell. I really do not want to make any indications about that.





Question: I have here 5 prints of different UFOs, which claim to show UFOs. Can you take a look at the pictures and tell me in which of them actual extraterrestrial aerial craft can be seen?

Answer: I can try it.

You pose many questions to me today which even I cannot answer unequivocally. Don't overestimate my knowledge, I'm no expert in alien technology and the construction of extraterrestrial ships.

To be sure, there are mostly some technical details and peculiarities about genuine "UFOs," with whose help one can easily differentiate them from natural phenomena or human forgeries.

You falsify sometimes the pattern of genuine ships; therefore, it is not so easy simply with absolute certainty to identify an object. I'll try it. Show me the photos.

[Comment by Ole K.: She considered the pictures respectively for only a couple of seconds and then sorted out photos 1, 3 and 5.]



These three pictures here are obvious counterfeits or erroneous identifications. In the one picture, it certainly seems to me that a real existing ship of an alien species was adapted for a small model here.

It lacks important characteristics which are tied in with the technically- and physically-associated field.

Generally speaking, a picture is all the more a fake, the clearer the outline and the colors are, because a levitating ship is generally hidden in a shifted-field condition that even distorts the colors or the forms according to alignment.

It might perhaps sound strange, but hazy and spectrally-shifted photos are sometimes to be interpreted as an indication for possible authenticity.

By the way, this object is floating above the water. If it were a genuine ship, we would have to see in any case either a trough or a swell on the surface.

Since the surface is flat, it is obviously not a genuine ship. In my opinion, none of these three pictures show genuine objects in flight or UFOs.

Here in this picture I see above all no artificial object in flight; it seems much more to deal with only a light reflex in your simple optical cameras. You really ought to be intelligent enough not to fall for a mix-up like that.

When your general public chases counterfeits and frauds for a long time, then they will presumably discover too late, what is really going on in front of them in their atmosphere.

This one seems to be genuine, at least it displays the necessary characteristics.

I would assign it at first glance to an alien species who have been visiting your planet for the last 35 years or so.

The object itself is metallic and disk-shaped; certainly it is distorted in form and color by means of a field effect.

These four white and very long "processes" on the underside of the ship itself portray a kind of quasi-gravitational light manipulation, i.e., the universal force field is being shifted in the direction of a simulated gravity.

Actually, it is not a genuine light (it is mostly not a genuine light whenever you see illuminating "UFOs") but a special strongly charged form field which manifests itself in the space that matter inhabits as a quasi-light.

The reason for the activation of this special high-energy system in an atmosphere is not completely clear to me; it's possible that it is a kind of investigating or influencing of the environment.

In any case, it is terribly careless of that species to allow this technology to be photographed by humans.

Well, I guess that most of you just plain don't understand it, and those who do will not say anything about it to the general public.

This is in fact a genuine aerial object; it is in no way extraterrestrial. Triangular aerial objects in flight are simply not used by alien species, or not in this form, at least.

That streamlined kind of form is a human concept.

It is one of your own secret military projects that you build with the help of immature alien technology —technology that was handed over to you by the extraterrestrials during the 1960's and the 1970's.

Generally, the form of the hull for a genuine extraterrestrial ship is of no consequence, for inside the field itself there are no exterior forces that have any effect there; in general, the ships have a rounded off form and they are built without hard edges —as a disk or a cylinder— so that the field can flow more easily.

Your projects decree that along with the alien drive field there also be a conventional jet engine system; therefore, they are always triangular and built thus with streamlining in order to be steerable with this primitive recoil principle.

In the example here the ship glides above all on its genuine field drive.

Do you see the distortion and the quasi-light in the rotating cylinders?

That is an unmistakable indication for the authenticity of the photo.

But why, you might ask, are there 4 cylinders?

That's unusual —even the interval seems to be incorrect.

The coloring is very dark and the interior optical distortion is very noticeable.

Presumably a reconstruction of the original system by your scientists.

Since the alien species has just not given you any more information since the disagreement, they are rebuilding the systems single- handedly without actually being able to understand what kind of dangerous thing they are doing there. This construction does not make the system better, only more unstable.

Both of the forward cylinders are too close to each other; they will definitely flow into each other. The color shows me a powerful residual radiation; it was probably the case that high elements were used again as customary for the shifting.

It is in any case very dangerous to be unshielded in the vicinity of the field. Did the person who took the photo display any kind of radiation and burn damage?





Question: I don't know. Where do these military "UFOs" come from? From the United States?

Answer: Yes. I think generally that's true. From the western continent.





Question: Why then do they fly over thickly populated areas of Europe? This photo comes from Belgium. That doesn't make any sense. Can you explain?

Answer: Why is it that ONLY I am able to explain strange human deeds? It's possible that these are long-distance tests or tests with the electromagnetic camouflage systems.

The old enemy of the American nation is on this side of the world, so why shouldn't they test here?

At home they've had enough time to have had their ships crossing back and forth. Maybe they have aroused too much observation there.

With one of those kinds of unstable field structures —as your photo indicates— I consider it somewhat improbable that that ship is capable of making a flight of that length over the ocean. It's possible there is a test station here on your continent. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about it.





Question: Many readers of the first transcript have posed the question how your original contact with E.F. came about. I already know the story from your narratives, but could you repeat it here once again for this volume and for the new transcript?

Answer: Of course. Now, the story began about two of your years ago here in Sweden.

I have been strongly interested in your species and your behavior since my youth; I had already studied your literature at that time, as well as possible. (Naturally, it is not easy in my homeland to come into possession of human books, but since my group or family stands in a higher ranking order, I was able to gather some material together and sometimes to speak with others of my kind who have already been in contact with you.) I was really very curious about your species and as soon as I was allowed to come to the surface, I attempted to assemble more information immediately; above all, it was expressly forbidden for me to commence direct contact with humans because in my position at that time, there existed no necessity for doing so.

It was in your year 1998, when I was on my way further north from here in the remote forests in the vicinity of the entrance to my world and was looking for biological specimens, which we use in order to watch over environmental pollution and destruction of your flora and fauna statistically by your own kind.

At the time, I was already on the return path to the entrance—we can even orient ourselves more easily, by the way, through our senses to the Earth's magnetic field—and already in the vicinity of the large lake, when much to my surprise I came across a cabin in the woods.

In this cabin I sensed a human consciousness/awareness.

It was E.F. Actually, I had no permission for contact with another species, but by the same token I had set in place my mimicry capability quite successfully prior to this— even with larger groups of you (I had never ever come across a human being when I was alone).

Now, let's call it primitive curiosity; I wanted to talk with the person in this cabin and so I knocked on the door. E. opened the door and we got into an interesting conversation.

His language was not quite yet common at that time for me, but it's not all that hard to learn a new language when one can read the information in the consciousness/awareness of the opposite individual. I simply told him that I came from a foreign country in the east.

Of course at the time, he did not really "recognize" who I was; he was totally convinced that he was talking with a creature of his own kind, although it was simply only a mimicry image.

Since my assignment anyway had as its goal an investigation of this terrain which was to last for several days, I visited him in this span of time three times as a human person.

At first we talked mainly about really ordinary things; later we got into religious and physical topics.

He seemed to be impressed by my knowledge, and I was likewise impressed with his clear thoughts and his—for a human being— well displayed personality structure and his own opinions.

You really like giving yourselves over completely to a public opinion or conditioning, as for example, "reptilian species are evil" and stuff like that.

I steered the conversation in this direction, and E.F. said something to the effect that he believed in alien species and that they did not have to necessarily be evil, but perhaps only different than his kind are.

That pleased me.

At that juncture of time, of course, I could not speak concretely with him about my knowledge because he wouldn't have believed me—he would have taken me for a human practical joker.

I cultivated the very, very unusual idea (for my kind) to show him my true exterior, something that I did during our conversation at our fourth meeting in the cabin.

Actually, he was predestined for contact:

he was open-minded, honest, intelligent, not religiously inclined or conditioned; he lived alone and isolated, and no one would believe him, should he decide to go public with his story.

I dared to take the step, but then I had serious doubt about the propriety of my act, especially when he reacted...very...violently.

He got control of himself again after a time and we could finally talk concretely about definite matters.

Now he had no choice but to believe me.

This was the beginning of a series of meetings which initially took place there in the woods, but later took place in his remote residence.

Finally he brought you into contact with me...and for that reason we are now sitting here once again and talking about things which probably won't be believed out there in human society.





Question: You said, you would not have had permission at that time for contacts with human beings. Do you now then have permission to talk with E.F. and me about all these things and even to make this scientifically public?

Answer: Yes. That is difficult to explain and for you to understand. Let's just say, I find myself in the position now to arrange this permission without having to take into account any consequences. In this position I am quasi- "immune" against certain restrictions. Let's look it that way. Yes.



Question: If other people want to come into contact with your kind, do they have a chance to do so?

Answer: Generally not. We avoid contact with you and we operate on the surface only in remote areas and there we use the mimicry techniques in case we should meet some people.

That I am talking with you now does not mean that others will follow my example. It goes without saying that you could try to find an entrance to my world and penetrate your way into there.

However, that can sooner lead to unpleasant consequences for the infiltrator. You have next to no chances on the surface of recognizing us. You can't even contact us directly, we have to contact you, just as I did with E.F. Those kinds of contacts however are not the rule, but are very rare occurrences.





Question: Can you describe your subterranean homeland location?

Answer: I can attempt to do so, but I certainly will not tell you where this place is located.

My homeland lies in one of our smaller underground settlements to the east of here. I'll give you some numbers so that you can make a better impression for yourself.

Just a minute...I have to try to convert the measurements approximately into your units.

It is a dome-shaped cavern at a distance of about 4300 meters from the Earth's surface.

The cavern was organized as a colony about 3000 years ago; a major portion of the ceiling structure is artificially integrated into the rock and the form was remodeled into an almost elegantly proportioned and very flat dome with an oval ground plan.

The diameter of the dome according to your measures is about two-and-a-half kilometers. The height of the dome at the highest point is about 220 meters.

Underneath that highest point in every colony there stands a special whitish-gray cylindrical building—a kind of supporting column which holds the honeycomb net-carrying structure of the dome.

This building is the tallest, largest and oldest in the entire dome for it is always situated as the first construction together with the security of the ceiling. (In the meantime of course there were times when it was completed and reconditioned.)

That building has a very special name and religious significance. We have only one of those columns; larger colonies even have more columns according to the construction of the ceiling.

One of the main colonies in Inner Asia has as an example 9 of those kinds of supports, but that colony is also over 25 of your kilometers in size. The central building is generally a center of religion, but also a center for climate control, and a center for the behavior and the regulation of the lighting system.

We have at our location all together 5 large artificial light sources which generate your UV light and its warmth through gravitational sources. The air shafts and the light systems from the surface likewise run through these columns and naturally, they are very intensely controlled.

By the way, we have 3 air shafts and 2 elevator systems there, and even a tunnel connection to the next main colony which lies approximately 500 kilometers to the southeast.

One elevator shaft leads to a cavern near the surface, the other leads to one of our depots for the ships —you remember, the cylindrical ships— that is naturally concealed closer to the surface behind a rocky mountain face.

Normally, there are only three ships there — it's a small depot. The other buildings of the colony are, for the most part, concentrically ordered in oval circles around the main supporting column, and they are without exception much flatter; generally only between 3 and 20 meters tall.

The shape of the buildings is round and dome-like. The color is even differentiated according to circle and distance from the main column. To the north of the column, there is an additional, very large but very flat round building.

This building interrupts the concentric system of the colony with its diameter of about 250 meters. It is the artificial sun zone in which specially illuminated corridors and rooms are housed.

In these locations very powerful UV light predominates, and they are used in order to warm our blood.

There is even a medical dispensary and a meeting room located there.

Beyond the outer ring of the colony, there are zones in which animals are kept—you know, we MUST consume flesh as nourishment— and the gardens in which plant nourishment and mushroom culture are cultivated; there is also hot and cold running water there from subterranean sources.

The power station is located on the edge of the colony. The station is driven by fusion as its base and it supplies the colony and the "suns" with energy.

My group or "family" lives, by the way, in the fourth ring of buildings out from the central support column.

So much in such a short time. To describe to you all the buildings and their tasks would be going too far.

It is difficult to describe something like that to you, for it is a completely different set of surroundings and culture from what you are accustomed to in your life on the surface. You really have to see it for yourself to be able to believe it.





Question: Will I myself see it sometime?

Answer: Who knows, maybe. Time brings new opportunities.





Question: How many creatures of your kind live in this colony?

Answer: Approximately 900.



Question: That is the end of the interview. Do you have any final message for the readers of the transcript?

Answer: Yes. I am thoroughly surprised at the many comments to my words; of course, I am naturally also disappointed about the religious portrayals of me as the enemy which have been voiced and which have buried themselves deeply in your mind.

You should learn to set yourselves apart from the old conditioning and not to stand quasi under the control of something or someone who has already been gone for 5000 years.

You are, after all, free spirits. Those are my final words.